posted Sun, 01/13/2019 - 01:44
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Anyone try this protocol? 10mg test e or c everyday?
Puts test levels in mid-upper limit.
Keeps estrogen from creeping.
Jacks free test through the roof.
*Credit to Emeric Delczig
PS I’m only 36, am I allowed to post on here?
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My buddies do daily trt with insulin pins around their belly button. I would but I just can't handle everyday pinning lol doing twice a week but daily is obviously the better route. Good luck my friend.
If you are using T Cyp or Ent - you can get away with SQ shots every 2-3 days.
I did ED SubQ shots for a while... tried E3D and now back to 2 X week... ED wasn't a big deal... I just got lazy
I pin 15mg of test prop a day. It’s not the most popular cruise style but I’ve had great results with it.
And loads of scar tissue. Not sustainable.
Absolutely no scar tissue if done SQ. I'm coming up on almost 2 years doing SQ ED in the abdominal area - since it's in the fatty layers of the skin there is no scar tissue.
I do the same... I won't go back to IM shots...
Molinin302I've switched up my regimen, I'm very old school, but advice here has been a game changer. TRT is now twice a week. I have a script from the clinic so the local pharmacy acknowledges it and sells me what I ask for. Slin pins in the delts, 25 gauge in quads, 23g harpoons if it's a larger injection (when I'm in a run) into the glutes. Getting away from antiquated techniques I learned 20+ years ago has really opened my eyes and improved everything. Big thanks to any reading this that have helped.
I'm going to switch over to test eth for about 12 weeks to see how I feel. I've been doing prop for almost four years and haven't had much scar tissue so far. I make sure to rotate the injection sites and inject subq with a 29 gauge needle.
If my test numbers are just as good with the test eth and I feel good, I'll probably stick with that for a while.
Use a 30G x 8mm needle, that way far less chance of hitting muscle tissue.
I’m glad what you’re doing is working with your numbers. Regardless, scar tissue will build up over time with that many injections. Keeping a good site rotation can help.
I think giving test-e or c a chance is with it. Let us know how it goes.
QuadGoddNew to ER, pretty sure you can post here as its just a question or seeking advise. As a 50 yo guy, i can tell you, the older you get, anything is better than nothing!
The 10mg a day would be a veryyyy low/minimal amount as 10mg x 7 days equals 70mg a week. Mine was considered extremely low at 204. But, if your test levels were fairly normal and you added 70ml a week, i could see how it could help; definitely wouldnt hurt. Again just my opinion. Curious as to what others have to say myself.
If his levels were in the normal. Adding 70 mg will shut his natty down and the only thing showing would be the 70mg. It doent add to what you have it replaces it
Sounds like a lot of pinning to me. If you are using E or C it isn’t necessary to do that often for sure. I personally like every 5 days which saves tons of pins and alcohol swabs over time. It’s interesting to see if there is any real difference doing it daily but keeping that up over time seems exhausting.
I want to try it for TRT, but my girl doesn't give me shit or bother me about injecting every 3.5 days at the moment! If I was injecting everyday she would probably think I'm some sort of addict or start questioning me. Soo, I keep it twice a week at a low dose! I pick my battles at home. :0/
You can easily do the injections yourself either IM or sub Q with insulin pins.
Living4ThePumpMicrodosing is the way to go IMO. More and more health doctors are using this method even with subq injections. I'm still a fan of IM injections but one needs to try and see which method works for him.
The benefits of Microdosing far outweight the fact that you need to inject every day instead of lower injection frequencies. You will be as stable as you can be when using exogenous Test, thus you will have less spikes in E2 as well as Hematocrit and RBC, minimizing any possible side effects.
I wouldn't limit myself to the 10mg a day since dosage is totally individual and People Need different amounts to reach certain Levels. I just needed 60mg per week and was high normal. But since I gained 10-15kg of additional mass I needed to take a little bit more to reach that same high normal Level.
So try and see what dosage you need to feel optimal, but the more frequent you inject the better it is and the less side effects you will have !
“ thus you will have less spikes in E2 as well as Hematocrit and RBC, minimizing any possible side effects.”
Less spikes in E2=agreed.
‘As well as Hematocrit and RBC‘=do you have a study, bloodwork, or data to back this claim?
Sorry guys I am new. I have been on test for many years using the IM route. I have never heard of the subd route. Can you use and oil base or is it a different ester etc?
Lots of info out there about SQ TRT. Do some research...but I will spoon feed you - Yes you use the standard oil based Test En/Cp...just divide your weekly dose into 7 (days of the week) and use a 'Slin syringe and needle.
I like this, very well said!! Also keeps guys who are using TRT to avoid having to use an AI or SERM.
MarcusAureliushttps://www.eroids.com/pics/10mg-day-subq.-4-weeks-mark
I would want to see long term (few months) blood results with this method vs e3d with ent or cyp or even sust. Enanthate peaks at about 25 hours and with a half life of about 4 days. With such a low dose you'd only be supraphysialogical for one day then maybe a slight dip before you pinned again on the 3rd day. Seems like a lot of work and pins to avoid that slight variation.
Just an up date. Have posted bloods on my 80mg PW SQ PD regimen. All looking good for me - going to keep going with this protocol. https://www.eroids.com/lab_tests
Very cool to see someone do this with blood labs. Only way to know for sure on what's working and whats not.
BluesHey guys, anybody still on this protocol or tried it? any feedback ?
Just posted bloods.
LiquidzI'm gonna give this a go and am on day 3 as I write this.
I'm using prop ED slin pin injects for 2 weeks until the cyp kicks in
In 2 weeks I'll be dropping the prop and doing e3d cyp injects for the remainder of the month.
I'll try to check back in to report how things are going.
BluesThanks brother. cheers
Hey mate. Just got Test blood work done this week. I'm pretty impressed with the results. As of today on the daily SQ - 70mg PW regimen, I'm now up into the low-normal range. I'm going to up the dose to 80mg PW to see if that will bring me right in the middle range.I have posted a copy of the results - link below.
Next month I will get another test which will include Estrogen, just to see how that is playing out.
Bloods - https://www.eroids.com/pics/testosterone-results
LiquidzWas keeping an eye out for your estrogen results.
Did you abandon the 80mg per week and go back on?
Was it too obnoxious to maintain?
What ester were you using and how frequent were the injections?
I haven't done an E test as it cost $200US here and that's a lot of money for me. I take Dim every day to help offset any possible E side effects. Will get Test and Prolactin done later this month. That's why I didn't reply to your earlier post. I want to have some blood work to show.
Sticking to every day is a bit of a chore, I miss a couple of days sometimes - but I don't miss the lumps in my muscles from IM shots and I like the 'normal' feeling of the constant T level. I recently went back to Oz for two weeks and wanted to maintain my levels so I shot two weeks worth before leaving, and no doubt that has affected my T levels, so I'm waiting for them to settle and even out before getting tested. I'm back on ED SQ using Test E.
LiquidzI was under the impression and correct me if I'm wrong..im not an expert and am only asking to learn.
Let's say you used sust....ed shots....the long ester would build and build and build until it was way past the 70 or 80 mark in only a couple of weeks am I right?
I've read alot....used alot and the consensus was E or cyp was e3d for the most stable levels and prop was ed.
Seems prop would be the most ideal as it can be run for 2 weeks at a dose....hits fast and can be readily adjusted....won't the E build up and build up and surpass 70mgs per week after a couple of weeks?
Stacking itself each day as it's a slow release?
Not questioning you but trying to learn.
I was planning on using prop for a couple weeks till the test C kicked in.
I calculated 70mgs/2 and injected that dose e3d.
Seems prop would be the most ideal in order to adjust on the fly after a couple weeks but was concerned about long estered chain test building on itself on an ED shooting regimen.
Sustanon is a multi-ester form of Testosterone, and as far as I know it is not used SQ. It was once popular for TRT and was injected every 2 - 4 weeks, but doctors changed over to single ester Test like Cyp and Ent many years ago.
I haven't read anywhere that Ent is SQ every 3 days. Ent's half-life is claimed to be anywhere from 4 - 9 days, so if we take the median and say it's 7, your levels would be dropping noticeably by the 3rd day, so you are just setting yourself up for a hormonal roller coaster.
Speaking of roller coaster ride - while Test Prop is the fastest released ester, if you were going to run it for TRT my opinion is that, because of it's very short half-life, you would want to be spot-on with your daily injections to maintain consistent T levels. With Ent, you can get away with missing a day or two given the longer half-life.
Regarding a build up of Ent, don't forget, from the moment it is injected, your body and your liver are processing it and breaking it down - thus the half-life. Each injection is only a minuscule amount - 10mg PD - just about what a normal, healthy young male makes in a day, so in effect, you are maintaining a consistent level of Testosterone in your system through 'topping-up' the diminishing supply of Test in the body.
If you start out with zero or very little Test in your system, initially you will get a build up, and that's why it can take up to 6 weeks to get an indication of your Test levels, but then your Test levels should plateau and become consistent, that's when you adjust your dose up/down.
I'm no expert on the topic, this is just my take on it.
Nice bro +1
How is that micro dosing going now?
Im 67 and thinking of using that and hgh 2ius a day. Like the idea of SQ also, like hgh.
do you still like it? Labs looking good?
Thanks
The Not So Smart RN...
Hi bro,
I am not doing 10mg/day right now. This site has a body challenge so I ramped up on the gear a bit for that.
But prior I was doing 10-20mg/day and feeling pretty darn good actually. Most do who use that protocol.
I would recommend the SQ method. I'm doing the SQ PD regimen. Have been doing it for a few months now - last bloods came back good with Hematocrit withiin normal range. Next month will get Estrogen and Prolactin done and will post up here.
Thanks man, will be looking for them and will post mine as I get into it. Amazing diff between taking some test and not at 67. I was muscled and 220 when I was at the high point..........after 3 months off everything but God's hgh, Ive dropped to 185! What a diff. Of course no desire to work out either. Im going to give that sq a try. So you are doing everyday and at what dose now? 10mg SQ daily? Thanks!!!
https://t.co/fWysCqrsbU
10 minutes in the anabolic doc discusses my method of microdosing and the health benefits
Emeric is a genius. I respect anything that he has to say. I have used the 10mg daily protocol but got very tired of the daily injections.
I've been doing it for a while now too. Currently taking 30mg eod Subq using a 29g 1/2" insulin syringe. It's easy, painless and simple. I've tried gel 2 different times with 2 different Dr's and it sucked both times.
I'm on here right now thinking of adding HCG and a small dose of Proviron. Why you ask... Nothing feels better then your natural test. I'm not sure if others notice the difference. For me on test shots sex isn't as sensitive especially at this low dose trt.
MSH products like, Melanotan 2, and PT141 definitely help for a boost.
Nice!
What do you mean by sex isn’t as sensitive?
Just doesn't feel as good as normal. Almost like,,,, with or without a condom... what feels better.. without of course... same thing... I may get horny on trt but its not as good as with my natural test.
I do have a bit of an estrogen issue going on so I've ordered some Aromasin and it may help with the sensitivity. I didn't want to get on an AI but it looks like I need to. I'll start out with 1/4 dose twice a week. I don't want to over shoot and kill my libido because I crashed my estrogen. I'll get blood work done after being on it for a couple weeks.
Keep the aromasin on hand but at that low dose of test proviron should be plenty to control w2. I use proviron and rarely need to use an AI until I go over 500 mg per week on cycle. Proviron will also help a lot with sex drive.
LiquidzI will 2nd the forst paragraph.
Unfortunately I was unable to last very long before AAS useage.....sometimes too fast and it sucked.
Once I got on AAS I too lost incredible amounts of sensitivity in my penis. It's as if I go and go and go and go and sometimes get bored and quit due to the insensitivity.
I'm glad someone brought it up and I'm sure it's very common and people don't want to talk about it.
I went from a 5 minute load blowing during sex to a 45 to 1hr sex marathon and only finish if she's talking super nasty.
I too feel like I have a condom on...or 2....so lame that it frustrates me.
If I don't get my sensitivity back doing 10mg a day for a couple months....PCT and done....like done done.
I've got great results and huge strength from AAS but for me.....there wasn't a sexual balance involved.
Cialis here, Viagra there....aromasin here....excuse there...no sensitivity over here....aggravation and frustration over there.
Just got lame and I'll miss the pumps and roadmap veins...would rather have my cock back tho
Yeah Ive done it a few times but at higher than 10mg
taking it at a level that low is too low for me
Its extremely stable, feels..... normal, if that makes sense.
Only thing to watch out for is that the upper and lower serum levels drop, lower being the most important of course. so you might actually find you need a small bit more than you guesstimate. With that in mind, you can suffer if you miss a shot or two as I did absent mindedly. As it rides serum lower, there is a lower drop down for estro too and thats when you feel it most. You can spot the signs of cognitive decline first... bit grumpy/moody/foggy, slow thoughts etc.
Im not TRT, but I definitely wouldnt do it for TRT, just because I would miss a shot or 2.
Just wanted to report how good I feel daily micro dosing 10mg/d (only 70mg/week).
I feel great. Good libido, strength/drive in the gym is good. Balls are actually coming back without using hcg during my last break off. Confidence up. Anxiety down. Sleeping 8 hours. I’d like to give it another 2-3 weeks before getting hormonal profile bloodwork on this protocol (just got liver values tested a week ago with everything normal).
No hcg
No sarms or ai
I feel like a 21 year old.
Blueswould you apply HCG as well with this kind of protocol? if yes how much?
Not needed with the daily protocol