posted Sat, 01/12/2019 - 15:44
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Anyone try this protocol? 10mg test e or c everyday?
Puts test levels in mid-upper limit.
Keeps estrogen from creeping.
Jacks free test through the roof.
*Credit to Emeric Delczig
PS I’m only 36, am I allowed to post on here?
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Are you taking hgh as well
No sir not atm
Good post. I'm experiencing the same on my 50mg PW (see my TRT post). I ran Aromasin for the first 10 days because my E was way over the top and I wanted to drop it down a little closer to a normal range. BTW - did you change the slin pins?
I actually ordered new darts per your suggestion; .5ml, BUT apparently the needle is longer than what I had originally, not sure how that happened tbh. Going to make another order of the .5’s with a shorter needle. The .5’s do make it easier to dose 10mg tho.
This is what I use: "BD Ultra-Fine II Short Needle 0.5ml 0.25mm (31G) x 8mm" That's on the packaging. They are single use - no removeable needle.
Pin in your abdomen just like hgh/peptides? No issues with welts/knots with the oil subq?
Yes mate - abdomen, and obliques area. The needle is very fine - no welts or bruises and the amount your are injecting is miniscule if you are pinning 10mg PD of Test E 250mg/ml (0.05ml).
Using single use pins do you draw with one then back load into a fresh sharp or draw and pin with same?
Thanks for the info btw brother.
I draw and pin with the same syringe/needle. Easier. Follow standard protocol. Wipe your vial top with alcohol. Draw your shot, swab your skin with alcohol and pin. All over in less than a minute. No probs about the info - ask anything. Let me know how you go.
PS - this is where you load the syringe to for 10mg PD Test E (250mg/ml):
Blueshow do you measure 10 mg bro?! with the .5 ml slin. how many ticks of 250mg/ ml Enan?
If you are using 70mg PW (10mg PD) 70mg of 250mg/ml Test E is 0.36 (approx) of a ml. Divide 0.36 by 7 (for the daily dose) which is 0.05. So on the 0.5 slin syringe it would be the first reading '5' closest to the tip of the syringe.
BluesThanks bro.. appreciate it
Started this today will report results on how I’m feeling and bloodwork in a few weeks.
Looking forward to hearing about it. I just started TRT and to run 10mg PD means that I would be injecting 70mg PW. My TRT starting protocol is 50 mg PW which means 0.03ml PD based on the Test 250 E that I have - it's such a tiny amount - that's why I'm going to use 0.5ml 'slin syringes SC. Will be interesting to see how my Test, E and Prolactin profiles look in about 6 weeks....I might even get a Total Test profile done in a month....just to see what might be happening.
That’s awesome OJNinja let’s do it! Same here 70mg/week. Can’t wait to hear about your results
Ok mate. I'm in. Tired of IM shots - I grew to hate the PIP which is why I didn't really care about giving up cycling. I don't mind daily 'slin shots - ran HGH for 12 months previously and they are easy to take. I started today. Will do T blood test at the end of Feb and post here.
Reminds of applying the daily gel. I actually preferred the daily gel over test shots. Better libido and more energy but insurance wouldn't cover topicals anymore so had to switch to gel. Implants might be a better alternative now.
Alphamale500You honestly like the daily test gel better than test injections?
Big difference for me. I haven't tried daily injections of test but no way am I going to inject daily for the rest of my life. Once I am done cycling I will be going to the implants to see what they are like.
Alphamale500In the case of daily test injections, I totally understand. I wouldn't use daily injections as a form of trt either. But in general, between test gels or test injections for trt, you would still prefer the gel? Nothing wrong with that, it's just surprising from a guy like you.
I never really looked into those implants because I don't stay on just trt for too long. But like you said, when I'm done juicing I'm gonna look into those.
Interesting. Did you ever get bloodwork on the gels? I’ve heard mixed reviews on the androgels. Supposedly per MD’s it is a close mirror to our natural #’s. I’ve also had a couple of buddies use it without much luck. I always thought injects were superior.
I tried a couple different gels. The one that comes in a packet that you rub on your chest or belly didn't do squat. Could barely get above 300ng/dl with two packets/day. Switched me over to the underarm gel and that worked great. Was hitting 700ng/dl with 1 application under each armpit. Urologist said I might want to go to only 1 application since he thought 700 was getting a little to high. Stayed with two total though. Then I get a letter in the mail a few months later saying insurance will no longer be paying for topical T applications. I couldn't afford the nearly $500/month bottle so I had to go with injections. I preferred the topical to shots hands down.
“Was hitting 700ng/dl with 1 application under each armpit. Urologist said I might want to go to only 1 application since he thought 700 was getting a little to high. Stayed with two total though.”
Love it. BB mentality, it’s in our blood! Good to know that the gel under your arm worked and put your #’s around 700. Perfect imo if I could have 700 for the next 20-30 years I’d take that!
It was so nice having normal test levels without having to jab myself. I miss those days. lol
I’m posting this to info share as the bloodwork for these guys is incredible. After being cleared by my cardiologist I think this is a safe bet for me. If you have the time please read through a few pages at the least the bloodwork is really incredible.
https://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/professional-muscle-forum/1486...
https://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/professional-muscle-forum/1428...
https://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/talk-pros/129921-emeric.html
Hey Growth
Can you expand on that? Would love to know the type of tests you did? This year after I clear everything out I am gonna get a serious heart check done. What sorta checks did you do?
Hey brotha,
After a 2nd ‘abnormal ekg’ I made an appointment with a cardiologist specializing in athletes. After the 1st ekg 8 months ago, my MD interpreted the results as a possible recent MI (heart attack). The 2nd ekg suggested left ventricular hypertrophy and an enlarged heart.
Last week in the cardiologists office we did the following;
-Physicians assistant checked me, listened to my heartbeat, said I sounded ok.
-Cardiologist did the same, said I sounded ok. He read the recent ekg and said it wasn’t too ‘abnormal’ and the results of anything negative looked very mild/minor. To be safe he ordered a stress test (treadmill) and an echocardiogram to rule out any arrhythmias, LVH, etc.
Prior to the stress test my heart rate was 81, and my BP was 130/80. Not bad.
The stress test took up to 13.5 MEPS to get me to 85% max heart rate (healthy/in shape), and then they took my BP immediately after we got to 85% max HR. BP was 155/91, healthy/normal for 85% HR.
Then we did the echocardiogram. Anything negative was very mild/minor. EF was 50-55, low to normal. Everything checked out ok, nothing to worry about or stress over. This was after 15 years of on/off competitive bodybuilding.
I highly recommend anyone/everyone using aas to see a cardiologist. Also, not per the cardiologist but the tech that did my echo encouraged balance between weights and cardio. I told him the last 15-20 years have been 80-90% weights and 10-20% cardio. He said, “I’m not a cardiologist but I do echocardiogram’s all day/everyday and I highly recommend balance.” Takeaway; cardio is key especially for us guys over 30-35 years old.
***Do you guys think I should post this in the general forums to alert guys to keep an eye on heart health? I’ve posted this in the advanced forums those guys know what’s been going on with me this last year.
Pretty much par for the course for BBs and athletes - mine said the same....and yes, that would be a good thread.
About the 10mg PD. I read a lot of stuff on that forum and saw a few vids by Dr John Crisler. I'm going to give that a try - seems all positives from what I have seen. Also going SC on the shots.
Hell yeah let’s try it together. PS Dr. Crisler has passed away 2 days ago.
Ok I’m going to write that up in the general forum now.
No probs - just started TRT so am willing to see how it all pans out. I see a few online references to Dr Crisler passing away - but nothing definitive...maybe it's a Mark Twain scenario...hopefully.
What evidence do you have to prove that it keeps E from 'creeping'?
Just blood results from dozens of guys doing the protocol successfully. No AI needed on this protocol as it mirrors mans natural production.
I'm not doubting you but I would like to read more, so if you have some links to the evidence that would be great. I'm interested in trying this if it can be proven.
Posted; see above brother. Take a few min and read through a few pages the bloodwork is really incredible.
+1 for posting supporting info, always gives credibility. Thanks mate - the discussion in the second link doesn't really support your assertions, and the third link wouldn't open for me unless I subscribed - however, you have got me interested. So will look into it further.
Cool, feel free to subscribe for free as there are literally hundreds of posts and lots of bloodwork. No AI needed, just blood levels like when you were late teens/early 20’s with no AI needed (low e2/high free test)
I’m not endorsing another forum just offering proof that the 10mg/d is working fantastic for these guys.
jayisknot familiar with that low of a dose but long ester everyday at that dosage dosent seem right. why not just split the injections into 2 x's a wk?
The idea is that although the half life of those esters is 4 days, one isn’t waiting that long, less peaks/valleys. 10mg/d most closely resembles human production vs shooting 40mg at once creates the negative feedback loop (4x natural levels).
Interesting.
Could just use prop ED. In fact a very well know lab on here makes a 50mg/ml Test Prop in oil with zero solvents which would be the way I’d go if I did this as every single time I’ve pinned any oil based compound sq incl. test e in small amounts - .2ml for example I’ve come up in a big hard painful red welt that took a few days to go away. I put it down to the solvents. I guess doing this IM wouldn’t be ok - kind of like the times I’ve had to pin GH IM due to red welt issues.
Pharma grade should alleviate the welts/swelling
Not for me sq. I’ve tried with my prescription test e. They still use a small amount and of BA/BB as I understand it.
That's a lot of pinning I wouldn't be able to hang.
Pinning 10mg would be a struggle
You mean to measure it?? Good point
Apparently Tony Freeman does this protocol and is 280 lbs. Rotates between 10mg/day (70mg/wk) for 8 weeks then will up it to 20mg/day (140mg/wk) for 8 weeks.
This program seems really tempting. Humanofort is suggested daily to reset the adrenal cortex etc.
addressing a few peeps on the Ed pinning. Keep in mind 10mg on a slin pin is 5 ticks. So minimal no different from a daily gh pin.
Living4ThePumpmore frequent dosing is better most of the times since your blood levels of testosterone will be smoother and E2 can be controlled much better the more frequent you're pinning. Also take into account your SHBG value which really can give you an idea of how frequent you SHOULD be pinning.
Guys with higher SHBG can get away with less frequent dosing but if you're low/very low SHBG ED or EOD is the way to go since the testoterone will wash out of your system much faster than with higher SHBG.
kind regards
I u/s the shbg plays into these variables. How can one raise shbg? Just more frequently dosing or?
You dont want to raise SHBG as it will bind to testosterone . If it is bound to SHBG it is not "free" in your system to bind to the androgen receptors you want it to.
You can lower SHBG with Proviron and some other AAS. You can also use 10mg boron per day.
Living4ThePumpyou can't really manipulate shbg, it will find its own level. Mine actually increased a bit when starting TRT, normally SHBG drops a bit when putting exogenous test in your system. If you want to keep it at its current level you're best off injecting more frequently. Greater, less frequent doses will make shbg drop more significantly.
kind regards