+ 3 Heavy Handed OR Fair COP?? Your Opinion ....
I've just been reading all about this woman called Renee Good being Shot and killed by an ICE agent in Minneapolis as she refused to get out of her truck when asked to by ICE officers, then she tried to drive off.
The Videos of it seem quite dubious in terms of whether shooting her through the windscreen was really necessary when I'm sure she could of easily been stopped further down the road considering the amount of agents that were there and vehicles present.
On the one hand I was always raised to respect the Police and you do as instructed by them (especially when they have guns pointed at you!) but on the other hand it seems a bit unnecessary that a woman and mother has lost her life over this.
What's your take on this being weapons owners and routinely seeing Cops it seems shooting first and asking questions later?
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Is it? Who owns the media bud? And when I say media I mean, print, tv, social and our phones?
Jews
The Jews control the weather. Not the media.
Get it right
Are you saying that jews control the weather. The same weather they always complain about.
What I'm saying is they make the clouds, then decide when it's gonna rain or when it's gonna be hot AF (conveniently it's always either one or the other on race weekend or any time I wanna do something outside cause they are reading my thoughts also) and then bitch about it.
Typical Jew behavior.
Nah, actually I'm saying these ppl that insist there is some illuminati, or bunch of Jews controlling everything are fucking insane.
As it turns out, most people, especially in a position of power, by their very nature are low down dirty little scumbags. Don't matter if you're a Jew or not.
True enough. I do kinda believe the space lasers theory though. Not so much that a space laser has been used for any of the fires that get blamed on them. But If I had a billion dollars I would for sure buy me a space laser because it's fucking cool. Then I would melt some old refrigerators with it.
You ever hear about the rods from God? How badass would that be? To drop a fuckin hypersonic titanium telephone pole on someones head?
I would buy that and use it on a broken refrigerator for sure. Like I am not evil persay but if I had the money I would buy a doomsday weapon or two then do the same shit I do with my guns with them.
Edit: I thought the rods of God were made of tungsten.
Oh you're probably right. Tungsten, titanium.... Aluminum: same shit right?
There's a reason I'm not an engineer haha
Not an engineer but did work in a machine shop for years and stayed awake through most of a science class once. Aluminum and titanium are super lightweight tungsten is the opposite. Aluminum would be dropping a water balloon on someone's head titanium more like a bowling ball and tungsten like a cannon ball.
Who? Oh or are you "not allowed to say"? Haha
Untrue no other admin has deployed thousands of masked unidentifiable agents to conduct random stops and go door to door doing the "papers please" bit. Obama did his deportation at the border not cities that voted against him. The fact you demonize the "left" while being hyper supportive of a authoritarian fascist is very concerning. Also the left right wedge bullshit is played they are both evil scum one side more so but both evil. The rights Saint Reagan did amnesty for migrants where is the outrage for that?
Define fascist.
Describe the supremacy clause in the constitution (Article VI, Clause 2)
The government can restrict the time, place, and manner of a protest, but not the message itself. To remain constitutionally protected, an assembly must stay non-violent and not pose a direct threat to public safety.
Activism impeding LE is a direct threat to public safety.
You just believe what Trump and ice say no matter how many times it is shown they lie about everything. If Trump is not a fascist then what is with his constant attempts to use the doj against his political opponents. You put all the onus on the people when most of the time the violence was started by ice or other law enforcement. I would bet you thoughts on j6 would point to you being wildly hypocritical like most Trump supporters.
Don't give me your uneducated reply. Answer my questions and stop with the red herrings.
To call my reply uneducated while you claim Trum and ice are never dishonest and never engage in wrong doing is a bit much. I understand I am in the minority in my belief that every president elected during my life is a criminal that belongs in prison. I can not for the life of me figure out why Trump supporters can fail to see how horrible he is while questioning the intelligence of anyone who has noticed his life time of despicable behavior. The encouraging endorsement and later pardoning of acts of political violence on his behalf by Trump is text book fascist. There are also all the historians drawing parallels between this administration's current actions and Hitlers Germany or how similar this administration behavior is currently to the British before the revolution. All presidents are criminal scum that belong in prison Trump happens to be the most criminal by far with Bill Clinton being a very close second and judging by the way Trump is speaking right now him and Clinton for sure raped kids together.
Where have I said Trump and ICE are never dishonest? Or never did a "wrong doing"? It was wrong people died.
Again, you are not giving me factual information. You are parroting NARRATIVE. You are spewing opinion. Go back to the question and answer it.
Nspm7 is fascist it makes disagreeing with Christianity the current government and capitalism a crime. That is fascist. Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian, and ultranationalist political ideology characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, and the forcible suppression of opposition. Fascism also includes scapegoats like what's happening with immigrants right now when the real problem is the policy that caused them to come here and the employers that facilitate it to suppress wages. ICE has lost any legitimacy it ever had with its God awful behavior so I don't consider anything they do to be lawful especially with how their claims never hold up in court. 47 days of training is not enough especially when the standards have been lowered to the point where many of them can't pass a open book test do 15 push ups or run a mile it's a bad look and I see far to many people defending it.
So explain how fascism exists in a constitutional Republic separated by 3 co-equal branches of government.
It can't. Anything you think the President is doing that is unlawful gets taken to court. And there have been plenty of judicial blocks and plenty stuck down by higher courts.
Elections matter. Just because something doesn't align with YOUR political opinion doesn't make it fascism, racist, or illegal.
Your opinion on the matter is not fact. You have ignored the Supremacy Clause and the supreme courts ruling on the understanding of peaceful protest.
You can not be taken seriously until you are able to accept that there's a feedback loop between narrative and activism that is the cause for much of the problems.
I accept the training issue can be a cause for higher tensions, fear, and mistakes.
That being the case wouldn't it make sense if local leaders and the talking heads on TV had the Narrative NOT to put the public in harms way? To peacefully protest, have a sit-in, or petition thier congressional representatives?
Wouldn't it make sense for local leaders to obey federal law. Instead of publicly defying it without going through the judicial branch setting a bad "lead by example" precedent?
They current administration is operating under something called the unitary executive theory. Also Russell Vought and Stephen Miller are both clearly fascist. Russell is using a dementia ravaged con artist rapist Trump as his useful idiot empowered by the unitary executive theory to try to enact project 2025. One of the things in project 2025 is getting rid of the constitution. Then you have Theil and Vance they are no better. Theil wants to be a dictator his stated goals are all evil he is a immigrant and needs to go back where he came from and stop fucking with our country. So it's not fascism yet. But there are a bunch of fascists in positions of power and their stated goals involve a fascist authoritarian take over.
I am not going further than 'co-equal". That is no longer the case. Thank the Supreme Court. And please do not waste time arguing that.
edit: how many court orders has trump ignored now?
None which is far less than Bidden.
In 2025 and 2026, there are no cases where the Trump administration has flatly refused to comply with a final, non-appealable court order once all legal resources—including the Supreme Court—were exhausted.
Compliance: In over 100 cases, the administration has halted or reversed policies after losing in court.
Legal Strategy: Most "ignoring" of lower court orders is actually the result of the Supreme Court granting emergency stays, which legally allows the administration to continue its actions while the case is litigated.
As long as you feel good about law fare brother I guess in your eyes it is all right. Anyway, I am done with this circle jerk. I know you (unlike others) will eventually put aside bias and see what is real. Adios.
Says the party that ransacked Melania's underwater drawer.
Educate me please. What prey tell did anyone look in that hookers drawers for. Be nice shis most likely a victim of trafficking. She also married a American and chain migrated a bunch of her worthless family here and they have cost the tax payers so much money compared to other immigrants.
Now you're sounding like a menopausal bitch.
Menopausal bitch that wants to know who found what in the first hookers drawers. Also everything I said about her is true.
You've just self destructed. Exposing yourself as a crass, sophmoric punk. I have no time for unserious people.
You spew all that bad faith bull shit and then pull this shit instead of answering a question because you don't like the way I spoke about Trumps mail order bride. Have fun being a "serious correct person". You have resorted to insulting me personally because you don't want to answer a question.
Was there a question there? You've also not answered the Supremacy Clause question and clarified the difference between peaceful protest as the Supreme Court views it and today's Activism.
But because you can't contain your TDS to Trump you are now not worth my attention. Ironic how you are pro imagrant until it comes to the first lady.
You said this "Says the party that ransacked Melania's underwater drawer". I wanted to know who found what in her drawers. Video recording ICE is not violent or preventing them from performing their duties ICE has frequently responded to this with violence. There is plenty of video of nonviolent protesters and bystanders being tear gassed and having other less lethal weapons used on them. I am not pro immigrant I was merely pointing out the hypocrisy. Today's activists are infinitely less violent then the j6 "patriots". ICE have shot themselves in training accidents more then they have been injured by the activists you claim are so violent. I don't like immigrants or any president ever. Miss me with the TDS bullshit Trump is a fucking scumbag who belongs in prison just like whatever asshole whoever wants to whatabout to defend Trump is also a scumbag who belongs in prison.
That's narrative. They have. But also mostly unnecessary when they are left in jail and handed over to ICE and not released into the public where ICE has to round them up.
Decades ago, I worked in construction in southern California. ICE raids were common at a jobs site. There were no activists standing in the way. No racist accusations. It was the federal government lawfully doing their job.
This is roaming bands of poorly trained agents wearing fully kitted out battle gear and masks that were not even going directly to serve warrants, just roaming around looking for attention. It is like you refuse to question why? You say you are a constitutionalist but wow, go back and read how the Boston Tea Party happened brother. You know a person very close to me is federal but the difference is the rest of the 3 letter agencies are trained and at least used to operate within the confines of the law. And if your version of what is right and just was in fact true Tom Homan would not have had to take over and limit them to targeted missions. And no previous administration has ever operated in such a fashion. Yet somehow still managed to deport even more. It is all smoke and mirrors.
We've been over this and I have mentioned training. Masking is used by swat teams as well for years. I.e. NARRATIVE.
They are not "roaming around" they are being "hunted" by activists during operations that would normally go unnoticed.
Again, you, like Squatch, are introducing red herring arguments to the question I've posted.
You are purposely ignoring all of the shit they have pulled. Google it yourself. And again swat does wear mask on a raid. Not just driving around or walking downtown trying to get attention. I would pull links for you but you know you are going to spin it anyway. Between the borders were wide open and several other glaring falsehoods perpetuated in this thread it is clear you refuse any facts that do not fit your narrative. There are things I know that I also cannot say publicly.
Left wing activists don’t typically try to dox officers on swat teams. But left wing activists most certainly will dox, assault and attempt to ruin the lives of ice agents if they could identify them. That’s why they wear masks. If they didn’t and they could identify them it’s not hard to imagine what would happen. There would be websites where you submit pictures and they get doxed. Their wives or kids would get harassed by people in their communities. Activists would show up at their houses and at best protest, at worst you’d get some crazies assaulting or them or their family members. Their social media accounts would get blown up as their pictures are circulated everywhere. You know this is exactly what would happen.
Even if Ice was the most respectful cordial, well trained group of people this would still happen. Because to a vocal minority in this country the removal or any illegal aliens is unacceptable, even the worst of the worst.
You made this claim before and fell flat e.g. the Texas vet. You are making the claim. Back it up. Because I will guarantee that when you look past the hype most all issues are not as they are presented. Everything is through an emotional lens. Emotions are not facts.
Lol you're one of those 'tell you but I'd have to kill you" tards hahaha
It's not ice doing their job people have the problem with. It is the extra shit they do violations of the 1st 4th and various other amendments. INS was a joke in the first cheach and Chong movie no body hated them. FYI Trump is racist and a bunch of the new ice recruits are too they are literally sporting neo Nazi tattoos. This round them up first bullshit is stupid and inefficient also Trump has issued more work visas h1b and the like so he is allowing corporations to import more cheap labor then ever.
Know what you're taking about. Give me actual cases. Know the difference between lawful detention during a traffic stop and arrest. Don't come at me with narrative like the arrest of a 5yr old during a traffic stop as his dad fled down the street.
Most of what you'll come back with will be exactly like any traffic stop with an uncooperative driver and passengers. Or someone being arrested at home under a warrant with other family members at home.
NARRATIVE is the fuel for the activism.
Activists are not peaceful protesters. And yes, we have AVOIDABLE issues there because they want the NARRATIVE.
See how that works?
No Authority to Enforce Traffic Laws: ICE officers are not local police; they cannot stop vehicles solely for speeding or other traffic violations.
Rights: Individuals stopped by ICE have the right to remain silent and may ask if they are free to leave,
I didn't say that. They can stop someone they are looking to deport. The optics, i.e. the narrative. Is ripping citizens from their cars and taking kids away.
Same scenario with a drunk driver then suddenly the narrative changes as do the optics.
Jrihard89Maybe the real treasure here with us arguing is the friends we made along the way?
The could have arrested him. And I don’t even care for protesters. I’m not a liberal. But cops throw temper tantrums when somebody else has a gun besides them.they didn't like it so they executed him. If he pulled the gun it would be justified. But the took him to the ground the held him down and executed him. He didn’t get a chance for a trial or anything. The shit him because they didn’t like him having a gun. Gun was in his waistband not his hand.
IMO, It was in "someone's hand". That would be the perspective of one of the several officers entangled in the melee. Who's? You've got a fraction of a second, you're life depends on it.
Too bad the investigation is being stonewalled. I bet them boots taste good tho. Newsflash, no fucking cop has any more right than you or I do. And they don't get to shoot people in the back and then stand in the road and clap. Wow... For a bunch of criminals you guys sure sell out quick
Another moral equivalence fallacy. Did I say that? You unequivocally said murder. You played judge and jury.
I said it was a wrongful death. Pointed out counter points to the narrative. It's not my call. Was it murder? Manslaughter? There was a homicide to be sure.
There's issues from stress, fear, fatigue, poor training, an advisarial environment, aggression from all sides.
You DO NOT know ANYTHING about the intent or state of mind of ANYONE involved. So stop fucking kidding yourself. Your narrative is purely a reflection of your bias. Not critical thinking.
I freely admit my bias against poorly trained kitted out assholes executing citizens in the street. I am guilty asa charged
I have a bias against police also. A year and a half ago a sheriff put a gun to my 5 year old son’s head and called him a retard. I called every police force in the county and nobody will arrest him. And I have it on camera. Yeah I got a lawsuit in court now but that’s not enough for me. I think they need to be held to the same standards as us.
Yeah, that is terrible.