posted Sun, 02/15/2026 - 20:15
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Thinking of binning Clen
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I have been experimenting with Clenbuterol at 25mg a day, early morning before cardio.
It just makes me feel AWFUL, I hate the stuff honestly. Shaky. Nauseous.
Im taking 6g a day taurine and as many 200mg potassium tablets as I can stuff in. No cramps.
Its only been a few days, so I ask the more experienced guys, should I stick it out for a bit or call it quits? Does it get easier?
Peace, love and happiness. I appreciate you.
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As many have already said if you don’t like it don’t use it. Many other options to help cut.
I personally love clen I look forward to using it every year for a diet down it just melts the fat when in the deficit and paired with T3. You seem pretty lean already not the biggest deal in the world to drop it. But I would say just give it another week or two before you abandon ship.
Also idk where you got the clen but if it’s at all liquid it could be over dosed. Clen is always best bought legitly pharm grade or somewhere like the UK they can make it legitly. Best of luck hoe! Looking good
I like it at as well as a little boost to fat loss. 40mcg daily is enough for me. Never used T3.
100% bro !
Love clen… love and fear T3 a little
Clen’s that steady toxic girlfriend …respect the dose and she behaves. T3 though? Crazy effective, but she’ll burn muscle along with fat if you don’t control it. Whole different animal.
Clen fucking awesome haha I don’t even need caffeine when I’m on it. Yeah T3 will fucking eat you alive if you over do it! I feel like if you use both you don’t have to go crazy high with the doses. 80mcg of clen is where I top out at and 75mcg of T3 slowly tapered up on both .
T3 just turbo charges it! Do it this year bro.
What’s the general consensus on a starting dose?
Start at just 25mcg once a day - after 2 weeks bump up another 12.5 - two more weeks bump to 50mcg and so on until I hit 75mcg.
Dkoon211I would say send it to me, I will handle it, but I also have a bunch I dont want to use.
Ranger3252Have you thought about Helios? That will get you what you’re looking for based on what you stated. It has clen in it, but you inject it in the areas you want that little bit of fat lose and the sides of injecting is far less risky as opposed to oral use.
Dkoon211That actually works?
Ranger3252Absolutely my friend. Helios is fucking a Godsend. A lot to read but very informative regarding Helios.
Understanding Helios
by Mike Arnold
After receiving a question about Helios in one of my Q & A’s this last week, I started asking myself why more people don’t use this product. Despite being one of the most effective Clen preparations on the market, it gets relatively little fanfare, coming up in conversation only occasionally and typically in the form of an inquiry. This is a real shame, as Helios is not only a great overall fat loss aide, but has also earned its stripes as a legitimate spot reducer. Whether its failing popularity is due to a lack of availability, general ignorance about the drug, or other reasons, it is overdue for its fair share of time in the limelight.
A combination of two routinely used fat loss agents; Helios is a mixture of 40 mcg Clenbuterol to 5 mg Yohimbine HCL, per ml. At first glance, there doesn’t seem to be anything special about this basic formulation, making it easy to question its overall appeal in comparison to traditional versions of these drugs. After all, one can more easily purchase them solo, allowing for individual dosing and bypassing the entire injection process. With these potential downsides (although sub-q injections are rarely a deal breaker for serious BB’rs), what is it that makes Helios worthwhile to the consumer?
Due to the delivery method employed, the pharmacokinetics of the compounds within Helios is altered from that of its oral form. When consumed orally, Yohimbine-HCL is rapidly absorbed (11 min half life) and usually achieves maximum plasma concentration in less than one hour. However, the mean bioavailability is low (22–33%, depending on the studies referenced), with a high degree of variance from person to person, ranging from an absorption rat as little as a 4% to as high as 87%. Although dietary fat reduces the absorption rate, variability among individuals is still high regardless of nutritional status.
In contrast, oral Clenbuterol has a half-life of about 35 hours, while achieving maximum plasma concentration within roughly 2.5 hours and lasting 6 hours. In terms of absorption rate, oral delivery has little impact on Clenbuterol relative to Yohimbine HCL. However, when assessing these 2 drugs as a whole, we see little consistency in absorption rates among individuals. This is particularly true with Yohimbine HCL, which is absorbed at less than 5% in some instances. Clearly, Yohimbine is at a significant disadvantage when consumed orally compared to intravenous or subcutaneous delivery, which boasts a near 100% absorption rate for both drugs.
Those who have used Helios will attest to the increased potency of this combination when administered in injectable form, especially Yohimbine HCL. Among many, Yohimbine HCL is viewed more as an ancillary drug rather than an integral component of one’s fat loss protocol. Take it or leave it is frequently the general consensus. No doubt, this opinion is most often due to sub-optimal dosing practices. If the ideal dosing range is 10-12 mg’s daily, but the individual is only absorbing 25% of the drug, their true usable dose is only 2.5-3.0 mg’s daily; hardly enough to provide maximum results. What about those who end up at the bottom of the pack, absorbing only 4-5%? Well, they might as well not be using it at all. The bottom line is that Helios has superior bioavailability, making it the more potent product on a mg per mg basis.
Generally speaking, I recommend that first time Helios users begin at about 50% of their normal starting dose, using Clenbuterol as a guide. So, if you would normally start out at 40 mcg per day, I suggest dropping down to only 20 mcg and gauging your response before going up. This may not seem like much to an experienced Clen user, but keep in mind that a disturbingly large percentage of the Clenbuterol sold on the UGL market today is moderately to severely under-dosed. With the addition of high-dose Yohimbine HCL at a near 100% absorption rate, the stimulant effect is further amplified. Finally, Helios hits much quicker than oral forms, so be prepared to feel maximum effects within minutes. Because of these differing pharmacokinetics, use caution when attempting to determine your ideal dose.
Perhaps the most unique aspect of this product is its ability to spot reduce. Similar to growth hormone, Helios is well known for being able to breakdown bodyfat at the injection site. However, it would be a mistake to target the exact same injection site repeatedly, unless you prefer uneven fat loss in the form of divots and bumps. When injecting into larger fat deposits, such as the love handles, most choose to break up their daily dose into 6-8 micro-injects, with 3-4 injections per side. This will allow the compounds to reach a larger percentage of fat cells within the region, allowing for a more even distribution of fat loss. Many have reported bruising at the injection site, so take this into consideration if you have a significant other who is not aware of your drug habits, as it may be somewhat difficult to explain away the existence of scattered, chronic bruising. Of course, if spot rejection is not a concern, then a single injection at a location of your choosing will suffice, although I do recommend that your total daily dose be broken up into at least 2 daily injections —preferably 3, in order to maintain blood levels of the Yohimbine HCL throughout the day.
On another note, this stuff should be injected directly into your bodyfat when used for spot reduction, not I.M. or even sub-q. It can be injected sub-q if one isn’t trying to spot reduce, but according to those who have personal experience with the drug, it tends to burn a bit when administered in this fashion. Whether this is due to the way in which some particular products are manufactured, or a direct result of the drugs themselves, I do not know, but it is worth mentioning.
If there is one downside to Helios, it is the inability to control the ratio of Clen to Yohimbine. Most people will be able to handle 10-12 mg of Yohimbine HCL daily right up front when administered in 3 equally divided doses, but much fewer people can handle 80-100 mcg Clen under the same circumstances, especially when the product is properly dosed. Therefore, one would have to build a considerable tolerance to Clenbuterol before reaching an optimal dose or Yohimbine HCL. For those people who are using around 80 mcg daily, the ratio is just about perfect, supplying 10 mg Yohimbine for every 80 mcg of Clen.
Regardless of whether your goal is whole-body fat loss and/or spot reduction, results will manifest quickly. However, it is important to remember that as a Clen product, receptor down-regulation will occur rapidly—in about 2 weeks, requiring the user to do one of three things: 1) Follow a 2 week ON/ 2 week OFF protocol 2) Continue to increase the dose in order to overcome the growing desensitization 3) Use ketotifin in combination with Helios. This will prevent receptor down-regulation, thereby allowing the user to continue using the drug uninterrupted and without the need for excessive dosages. Although Ketotifin may allow for extended use, I generally don’t recommend Helios or any Clen product be run for longer than about 4 weeks continuously, due to the increased potential for cardiac damage.
In recent years there seems have developed a lax attitude among many in the drug using community, in which all drugs are viewed as inherently safe, even when used at higher dosages and/or for lengthy periods of time. These individuals often try to justify their irresponsible use by citing deceiving statistics, thereby minimizing the potential for harm associated with these drugs. Although Clen is generally well tolerated when used at appropriate doses and for reasonable lengths of time, it is unwise to push the limits with this drug, especially one as potent and hard hitting as Helios. As always, stay safe and continue to enjoy the benefits of today’s BB’ing pharmacology.
Chuck it! There are so many options out there now with Reta and GLP-1s that are more effective with far more tolerable side effects. I have probably 40-50 Clen40 tabs that will most likely end up in the trash just because I can't stand that jittery, anxious feeling.
But I'm with all the other bros in this comment section. You're lean as fuck already. Get a really good lean bulk diet dialed in, get a small surplus going, and start packing on some lean mass. With 5-10 pounds on your frame you'll look like a monster
I honestly lost a fair bit of muscle on this cut I think, this was a few pounds ago, i just have been so focused on getting my hips reduced!
Man, you are prime, get on a Primo cycle and you will look amazing.
If the goal is weight loss why not use a glp1? I kinda feel like clen is gonna be obsolete in the near future either way the availability of glp1s.
Bin it! You don’t need it. You’re already cut pretty well. You need muscle mass. And you might look better with 1-2% points fat added back on with 5-10lbs of muscle to accompany that extra fat. Seriously bro you need to build now not cut.
Bro. Bin that shit. Hell no. 20mcg a day I feel shakes and fucked up. Replace with an ECA stack. I fucking hate clen it’s the worst
25mg or 25mcg this can be a huge diff. If you're taking 25mg im surprised you havent had a heart attack. It takes time to build a tolerance. I start at 40mcg for a week then move to 80 then 120 then take two weeks off. The shakes arent so bad its the cramps that get me occasionally
You got me it was mcg for sure
Before I opened this thread I knew it was going to be about shakes…no not worth it. It would give me energy for workout and cardio but the shakes made me look like I had Parkinson’s so I stopped.
Bro if you’re already feeling like death on day three, just pull the plug. Honestly, life is too short to spend your mornings vibrating into another dimension and feeling like you’re gonna barf on the treadmill.
Usually the shakes chill out after a week once your receptors get used to the abuse, but if the nausea is hitting you that hard, your body is screaming at you to stop. Also, chill on the potassium tablets—too much of those can actually mess with your heart rhythm way worse than the Clen will.
If you hate it this much now, you’re gonna despise it by week two. There’s no shame in ditching the chemical shakes and just sticking to a steeper deficit or longer walks. Peace and love man, don’t torture yourself for a tiny bit of extra fat loss. It ain't worth the misery.
100%, it’s not worth it.
Plus too much potassium is bad! Just like everything we do, moderation is always the way to go.
There are not many supplements I would say people need to mega dose.
If you’re at 25mcg and already feel like death… I’d listen to your body.
Clen isn’t one of those compounds where you “push through” and suddenly feel great. The shaky, wired, nauseous feeling is the mechanism. It’s a strong beta-2 agonist … cranks up CNS activity, heart rate, blood pressure. Some guys tolerate it well. Some just don’t. There’s no medal for suffering through it.
Also, people forget the 30–35 hour half-life. If you overshoot, you’re riding that wave for a day and a half. It’s not something you casually experiment with unless you really understand how it works and have everything else (diet, electrolytes, BP) fully controlled.
If fat loss is the goal, there are smoother options. Even something like salbutamol/albuterol (shorter half-life) is easier to manage for some. Or just tighten diet, steps, and maybe a mild thermogenic. You don’t need clen to get lean … especially if it already makes you feel awful at a baby dose.
Personally?! If 25mcg wrecks you, I’d pull it. Not worth stressing your heart over a few extra calories burned.
Just my 2 cents, brother.
Check bros pic below, surprised clen is even on the radar... lean AF
clen was made by the devil himself. fuck that shit. worse cramps i've ever had.
Before it kills you?
Not particularly afraid of that if we're being honest, dying solves all problems permanently
I have no family, no one depending on me so I wouldn't be leaving much of a hole in the universe, just a few friends who will be sad for a while but in time that too will pass
Bro if you need to talk you can PM me, I just helped my best friend with a very difficult situation and thinking like this. You are worthwhile and I guarantee those friends really like you a lot. There is a reason why you and all of us are here.
All good man but thanks for being a friend.
I just kinda got that nihilism in me, always have.
I have a bag of Clen that just sits here why? Because the shit is awful and I thought I was going to have a heart attack. I cannot stand how it makes me feel. Reta got the weight off and it's much better.
Jrihard89Don’t be a pussy and take reta
I would guess 12%, but im totally open to criticism
You look closer to 9-10 not 12
You look good dude, You do not even need to lose fat, just start building more muscle.
Perhaps a small Case of body dysmorphia. Looking good @scrawny-to-not I dont see any fat to lose homie
Thanks dude I think I needed to hear that honestly
You look awesome and definitely don't need to cut, ESPECIALLY with CLEN, and a billion percent if it doesn't agree with you. Looking forward to seeing your results when you build!
I'm on 3mg a week, love it. Started at 1mg, worked up slowly. Im pretty lean, currently losing strength and size... but i really have it in my head that I want to get shredded, 10% or less before I start my next cycle and eating everything in sight.
I have the goal, I want it. Im eating clean and eating with purpose, the reta has removed emotion from my eating.
Gotta agree with bros @Asa and @Aggieguy
Brother, you’re already lean for your “body type”. At this point you gotta build structure now.
Yes, more muscle actually makes getting lean easier long term. Not because muscle is some magical fat burner, but because it raises your maintenance calories, improves insulin sensitivity, and gives your body more “metabolic machinery” to work with.
When you don’t have enough muscle and try to push down to 8–10%, it’s way harder. You just shrink. There’s no real thermogenic engine or structure underneath.
Build first. Then cut. Way easier and way better result.
P.S. I really don’t think you even need to get anywhere near Clen.