30yrs on HRT - Is PCT neccesary?
So - this is not a inflammatory question - not looking to stir up shit. Just looking for insight.
So, here is the question:
If you have been on HRT for 30+ years, never mind any street gear, just HRT - is there really any benefit to PCT?
Here is the context:
Male, European descent (German), 30yrs on HRT. Gym routine not important for the context of this but if it helps:
6 days a week - cardio 40min on elip @ 7%
weights 5 days a week - 45min
I have been using a weekly dose of 300ml for the last, at least, 10yrs. Mostly consistent but outside of medical visits (hospital) pretty consistent.
So - here is my question. I am thinking of running a cycle, just a basic one and I read the PCT and I am wondering, since the reality is, I prolly dont produce TEST anymore, is there really a reason for the PCT?
Caveat - I understand taking a break from the meds to help the liver/etc - that part makes sense.
But if the gear is supposed to help with TEST recovery, then whats the point in my particular scenario.
Blood work, on dry weeks (meaning 2 weeks without HRT injections to base) - shows Free Test at around 400 or so.
Thoughts?
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You said down a few comments, the vial says 250mg/ml, what ester are they prescribing? As for your original question, my nuts had issues before TRT, after 5 years they became baked beans. Now sometimes in the shower, I’ll lose one. It eventually falls back down. PCT? That train has left the station.
I'm not biting.
Since when is 300ml/week(or 250mg + 1 notch) considered Hormone Replacement Therapy and not a Cycle? So you got to transition from cycle to cycle but do Post cycle treatment while on your new cycle? I am so confused or maybe im just retarded.
So - I cant answer you on what is considered a cycle vs not - not a doctor, not a gymbro, just an old man trying something new.
I said it was HRT b/c when I go to the hormone facility thats what they call it, HRT. I really dont care what its called, the bottle says testosterone so.....take it for what its worth.
the bottle is 250mg/ml and the bottle volume is 10ml.
I take a weekly does of 1.1ml - as OogieBoogie pointed out - my numbers / and abbrevs are off.
So, to level set I take a 1.1ml injection every week since my last adjustment about a year ago. I have taken testosterone from my doc, since my 20s. That being said:
its not been 1.1ml since I started. Nor has it been 300mg/ml since I started. But of course, that doesn't matter does it?
Today, as it stands, its 1.1ML from a bottle at 250mg/ml @ a volume of 10ml.
Once bottle lasts, roughly about 9 weeks.
Again - the question is:
PCT - is the purpose just to make sure you can continue to create Test on your own?
If the answer is yes, then since I've been on test for 30 yrs then PCT is useless b/c I dont make enough naturally.
If the answer is no, it does more then make sure I create test - then what other benefits would PCT provide?
I suspect that all PCT does, based on my limited reading, is just protect the body's natural test creation. Since I dont have that and there is no way to regenerate that unless someone knows how to become Wolverine - then PCT in any cycle is useless to me.
If you are on TRT then no point to PCT after, just return to your TRT dose. 300mg is a high TRT dose though.
sorry let me correct myself 250mg/ml per bottle @ 10ml per bottle.
I currently take 1.1ml (the first notch on a 3ml syringe after the 1ml mark), once a week. This is adjusted via DR about, oh, 5 yrs ago when the "how I normally feel" started going back to being tired, etc.
so while it may not be exactly 300mg per dose, its fairly close.
that I what I normally run.
According to the beginners cycle it will jump me to 500mg per week with some anavar to supp.
but thank you for confirming what I thought as well sir.
Simple question, simple answer - not sure why some other folks on here struggled with it but whatever.
Just so you know, if a bottle is 250mg every .1 is 25mg. So 11x25=275mg is what you take a week. Still high for TRT, what does that put your Test level at?
And for your first cycle 500mg for 15 weeks then go back back to TRT dose. I prefer to throw an oral in my last few weeks rather than my first few so its during the peak of the cycle.
What is your opinion on this sir?
https://www.eroids.com/forums/steroids-qa/steroid-cycles/how-to-run-a-cycle
its the cycle I was thinking of running.
That first cycle looks good but I would personally change a few things. Take out the HCG because your going back on TRT. For an AI I recommend Aromasin, but only to take it when you need it. I’m not gyno prone and can get away with taking no AI at 500mg. If your feeling estrogen sides then start taking an AI. Aromasin you could start at 6.25-12.5mg EOD. And if you plan to throw Dbol in like I said before do the last 4 weeks instead of the first 4.
thank you very much sir, I truly appreciate the insight!
honestly no idea atm - Id have to do another panel - next one is scheduled in Mar I think - dont recall. I'm old and frankly dont pay that much attention to it, though I guess that is gonna have to change a bit.
Thank you for the correction though, I appreciate it sir.
anvilMath be hard.
whatever you say gymbro.
anvilTroll ...2 weeks off gear Test at 400 after 30 years of 300ML per week LMAO.
sure whatever you say gymbro.
Curious as to why you would have been on HRT for 30 years so since you were 23 years of age or there about. You must have some sort of medical condition to of required HRT from that age especially with no prior cycle history to of shut you down ect … and health care professionals would be looking for illness and/or underlying cause to require HRT at 23 years of age. Not trying to be a dick just trying to understand your situation to give you proper guidance. Look if you been shut down dine before you turned 23 and required HRT with with no prior cycle history … what would make you think you could stimulate natural product now after 30 years at 53 years of age when you couldn’t at 23? I’m either reading this wrong or very confused or it just doesn’t add up
I get it but you are digging for gold where there is none.
My test numbers for my at at the time were low. I was also lethargic, going bald, etc....Like any doctor at the time, the solution was always drugs. Drs didnt dig into everything back in the day - just give pills / shots/ etc and gtfo.
And in all fairness, at the time, I too was young/stupid but didnt trust any "gym bros" and just wanted real HRT/TST for a stupid dream of going pro. So I took it at face value, saw it as a win and accepted that I needed HRT.
Fast foward to today - Im 53 - obviously I am not building any new muscle naturally. I feel myself getting weak and I see my muscles waining. I would like to maintain some semblence of size and figured a actual "cycle" (I have some trusted gym bros now) might do the trick.
Honestly - worse case, the insurnace is paid up, the kids are good and the wife is all set so.....why not take a risk. But if I dont need extra drugs for a PCT that wont matter because I am not gonna start magically fixing my test anyways - then why waste the money?
Finally - there is no question about generating natural production at this point. The question wasn't "can I fix my natural tst" because that would be silly. The question was, is there any reason to run a PCT IF the only goal of PCT is to recover natural TST production?
does that make sense?
I'm guessing you mean 300mg a week, not 300ml. That is definitely not HRT. What was your total test level on those dry weeks?
good catch sorry for the typo and that is correct 300ml.
total tst on the dry was around 280-320 depending on time of day/draw. Never varies more then 40.
No PCT needed. You're in essence blasting and returning to your cruise dose. Enjoy the blast. Post some before and after pics for the community.
thats what I thought too - I figured it was mostly for the young bucks that didnt make the mistakes I made (starting out on HRT too young) but I wanted to know if I missing some secret sauce.
To the young bucks - dont start too young and definitely dont jump at HRT without at least a couple of professional opinions.
If your going to return to a hrt dose after your cycle then you don't need to pct.
thats what I thought as well sir - I appreciate your input man!
never mind any street gear, just HRT
So youve cycled but now wanting to cycle again for first time?
Trt since 20yrs old?
No, that is not what I said.
I said - I've been on HRT, prescribed by doc, for almost 30yrs. I said exclude any street gear b/c I've never done anything outside of HRT prescribed by my doc.
I said I am looking to try my first cycle - cycle defined as street gear.
Yes, I have been on HRT, by my doc for roughly 30yrs give or take 5 - I started when I was 20-ish.
If you have to know, the original reason was a false hope of trying to go pro - obviously that didnt pan out.
I have a basic 14 week cycle that was posted here that I thought I would try and again, every single cycle involves PCT.
My question is - does it make sense to do PCT when I have been doing HRT for 30 years and never really been off HRT. If the only benefit is to ensure that I generate TST on my own, then I think the answer is no because after 30yrs on HRT I doubt I do and I doubt there is a way to restore it.
If my only benefit is giving my liver/kidneys/etc a break, then I understand that but then the question is, do I need any specific PCT drugs geared towards said organs, not the actual "hope" of restoring natural tst production because, again, I am sure I dont produce enough and after 30 years I sincerely doubt it could come back anyways.
Hopefully that clears it up.
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Clears a lot up ….. your full of shit
sure - whatever you say gymbro.