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+ 1 Why does prop hurt so bad

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I know being a short ester can be more painful and that mixing it helps but Sus is already mixed and it kicks my ass. Would mixing sus with some grape seed oil help

DeeMan's picture

It's part of the juice game my man!

Blck_panda's picture

Yes sir. Cant complain if its my choice!

press1's picture

In hindsight if I could turn back time I would of never got into pinning Test prop - I would of started on Test E and stuck to it. Overall the mass gains and general energy level you have on the longer esters once they have built up is much better and of course you can pin them EOD or E3D. Prop really needs to be done ED to get the most from it, even then it crashes hard by the end of the pinning day meaning you can end up suddenly feeling exhausted after a workout later on, with Test E you don't get this as the hormone level stays pretty much constant if you are injecting it correctly. Problem is also Prop has a very hard intense feeling to it which can become addictive, when you go back to E it can then feel underwhelming. Unless you are an extremely high ranking competitor trying to stay very lean year round then pay no attention to different esters making you hold varying amounts of water because it really is unnoticeable, guys will say they can see the difference in the mirror but I am sure its only because of they are aware of what ester they are using. Prop works out at least twice as expensive to run as E too when you work it all out. Injection volume per mg sucks too!!

Blck_panda's picture

Appreciate the info. Only have done Test C, I like to keep things the same. Suggested by many to try Test P because I already pin 3 times a week.
Your the first to bring up E. I mean I have to do it now, its on the way to my mailbox. I will get into reading more on E.
Yes I know, alot more ml needed...

Rosschestzip's picture

I thought it was 92 but I could be wrong. Actually that may be acetate, I think….forget I said anything lol

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DeeMan's picture

Acetate

Rosschestzip's picture

So acetate-92 and Prop-87? For some reason I can’t find the info anywhere

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DeeMan's picture

Yes acetate is at that number. Wish it was more available but not sure why not

DeeMan's picture

It can be kinda confusing but yeah prop is said to be around that number but some say 80.

Blck_panda's picture

My people are scientist

Blck_panda's picture

Well I have a few bottles coming in. Gonna have to use them. Maybe wait until I cycle again or just use it during the cruise. So many options.
Good thing is I will know how my body reacts with it.

DeeMan's picture

Yeah shouldn't be horrible.

Blck_panda's picture

Roger.
Looks like all the boys are up and early this morning.
Well in my time frame.

Blck_panda's picture

Same, going camping for the weekend so stayed up late packing everything. No training today but tomorrow, we will make time.

Rosschestzip's picture

Lucky, I want to go camping so bad, regret not making the time this summer, maybe we’ll do a weekend trip. The in laws are always trying to go but they go with a right and go to like modern places with a pool and shit. I wanna go in the woods with a tent

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Yea, doing a weekend trip with the family. Tent in the woods. Couldnt bring the kayaks since I still cant push alot of weight over my head. I have the long 12 ft one that fits 2 in each. My little trailer I need to load them overhead with the wife.
I make the kids hammer down the stakes and do some labor. Builds character in my eyes.

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Ya man that sounds sick! I’d love that shit, I went every summer from when I was 1 -17 and I don’t think I’ve been since. I don’t have any equipment or anything but man I’d love to bring the kids, my boys would love it. And it def builds character, probably better than anything else, even just doing things that are slightly uncomfortable can help build character. Just not living like a little princess, is doing them good, and then the more work and difficult things you can have them do, the better, without ruining their childhood of course lol.

Now I gotta start planning a trip, you’ve inspired me lol and camping’s not crazy expensive, besides buying all the equipment and shit

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Blck_panda's picture

Yes isnt expensive once you have everything.
Finally got another air mattress after a few years. Was like 30 bucks.
We have fire restrictions at the moment so we cant shoot but when we can, bring the guns up and teach the kiddos gun safety etc.
They enjoy it, plus these are my only ones. I closed up shop 2 years ago and got a vasectomy. Wife also closed up shop with our younger one.
We both dont want another one lol

Rosschestzip's picture

How old are they? I got 11 and 9 yr old boys and a 4yr old girl. My boys would love it and my daughter loves everything so it would be a blast.

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Daughter is 11 and son 10. They got the wild horses around so they enjoy them.
We have been taking them up north and rivers since they were born. Its a good rest for us from life.
We wanted more but life is tough. Plus im mexican and thry have like 20 cousins already lol

Rosschestzip's picture

That’s amazing man! I’d love to live like that, well atleast it sounds fun! Better than city living that’s for sure

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DeeMan's picture

Maybe one day I'll try the camping thing but I've never been into camping. I'm sure a nice camping area is nice. I do dig the water and green forest though. Fresh air. Must be nice. Personally I'm a mountain guy and beach too

Blck_panda's picture

Were camping next to the lake this time and its free. Just cant finsh due to the thunderstorms, dont want to be getting zapped.
I love the beach, came from a family of fisherman down in Mexico. I love seafood. More when we catch it. Fresh oysyers out the ocean.. Yumm

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Lol ya lost me with the oysters!
But yeah I feel you. Love me some seafood. Guess I'd prefer to be out in the middle of the ocean than out in the middle of a forest. Hope you have a good time man. I remember Makwa always talking about how he lives in the middle of nowhere and loves to hunt. I asked him where's his location cause I wanted to move up there. Lol for some reason he wouldn't tell me.

Blck_panda's picture

Haha yea, i have horrible motion sickness so the boats get me. We didnt get drawn this year. Been putting in for like 5 years.

DeeMan's picture

You stepped right into the oven potna lol. Now I needz some eggs and pancakes...maybe grits

Blck_panda's picture

Lol I love cooking either way. I havent had grits in years.

press1's picture

Was it someone on here who suggested using Prop because you inject 3 times per week out of interest? Because that is really bad advice Lol Cyp/Enanth is best injected EOD imo, Prop is ED.

When I say Enanthate you can also take it as meaning Cypionate as really they are the same thing

Blck_panda's picture

Yes and some here at home. Lol
Your correct, I have read they are about the same. Took a sec.
I dont mind everyday but Fuck..
I will see how it goes.

Rosschestzip's picture

What’s the concentration? Just regular test prop 100? You might be fine, I’ve heard a source saying it’s kinda rare to get pip from prop now a days but I’ve also heard it’s just unavoidable from the ester or someshit idk. Just make sure to warm it up and as long as it’s not some crazy strong concentration it shouldn’t be too bad. I’ve never gotten pip from test prop….yet lol

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Blck_panda's picture

Correct. Prop 100. Its from one of main suppliers on here.
Funny thing is l'carnitine will leave me sore af. Delts or quads is were I pin. I only do 300mg cant do the full syringe like others. Even the wife is like Fuck, when I take it out before a workout lol.

Rosschestzip's picture

Ya that stuff can sting pretty good that’s why I always regret getting the 200mg stuff cus you need like 3full ccs

But with a decent prop 100 you should be good to go man, but not everyone is, so still warm it and go slow

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Blck_panda's picture

Good lucking out. Keep yall updated how my first couple injections go.

DeeMan's picture

Are you normally sore from anything besides prop?

Blck_panda's picture

So far no, should be here this weekend or next week.
I will finish my bottle of C before jumping to the P I ordered.

DeeMan's picture

I'm pip sensitive but you should be good. Of course a little pip I'm sure

Blck_panda's picture

Yea, no pain no gain.

DeeMan's picture

Basically

Musclemem's picture

That shit it torture. Aspen Sus was the worst pain from heat I ever had.

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