Bloated and mood disorders on Test C. What can I do?
Hi,
I'm on TRT since 2020 with discrete success.
Regimen test p 25 mg eod.
Recently I've switched to test c 125 mg/week for less injections frequency.
However after a brief nice gain in muscle mass (I assume temporary glycogen storage and/or water) and strength my stomach has started to bloat massively, I've experienced some pain in the left nipple (just for two days after injection) and some mood disorders and depression started to appear, also zero libido.
At this point I've splitted the dose in two so 62.5 mg twice a week in attempt to control aromatization.
Pain in the left nipple disappeared but stomach bloating still here (water retention really insane) with some depression and zero libido.
I've used this regimen for 5 weeks then I've stopped and returned to test p 25 mg eod because side effects don't go away.
In your opinion is there a problem with aromatization? The use of an aromatase inhibitor to control 62.5 mg twice a week of test c seems excessive or can I benefit from it?
A molecule with less (or absent) rate of aromatization can be useful?
No alcohol, no tobacco.
Thank you.
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Are you sure the Test Cyp you have changed to is by a good and trusted Lab? Because if its shit test and under dosed, plus a crap carrier oil that could be making you lose libido and feel rough also. Don't just assume all Testosterones are good quality because it comes in a vial with a nice looking label on it.
Thank you for the reply.
Yeah, I've received the vial from a buddy in the gym addicted to roids.
Also the package contains the verification code.
I don't know if I can say the label here but it's a famous and trusted label.
Exactly. I was running test at 250mg last year and it was severely underdosed. I didn’t feel right, so got bloods. Test levels came back at like 350 (instead of 1400 from this dose). Gear was bunk, found a new source and never looked back. Always get bloods to know for sure brother.
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It's a famous and trusted label, anyway I will get bloods.
21yrs old and trt? You need food at that height and weight
31 yrs.
Thanks for the reply.
Bro, I think you're being a bit too dramatic about it. We're all different, and it seems like you need to try to calm down
In my opinion, there is an issue with aromatization, but it's not as serious as you think it is. If you're experiencing mood swings, the first thing you need to do is check your E2 levels. If they are elevated, you can consider using AIs like ANASTROZOLE 0.25 mg every 3-4 days or EXEMESTANE.
Personally, I don't support using short esters as the main compound for TRT.
The whole point of TRT is to maintain a consistent and necessary level of testosterone in your blood. Any short ester will cause unwanted peaks or drops of that level. You might consider switching to TEST UNDECANOATE.
In that case, you'll need to determine the effective dose and usage regime for yourself. Normally, injections are no more frequent than once every 70 days. Usually, the use of AIs isn't required when choosing this product. As you can see, my opinion is the opposite of yours,this is one of the longest TESTOSTERONE esters that you can easily find on the market
Thank you for the reply.
I've already issues with test c (longer ester than prop) so a longer ester like undecanoate could be nasty in my opinion.
Undecanoate remains in the blood for months, what can I do in case of side effects? I can't remove it.
Indeed. Using longer esters requires bigger responsibility. With TESTOSTERONE UNDECANOATE, as with any hormone treatment, you must understand how everything works in your cycle or TRT. Your response suggests that short esters will allow you to make multiple mistakes and then correct them again and again. I think this is am incorrect approach to hormone use.
In any case, I hope you've considered my advice regarding checking your E2 levels and the unwanted fluctuations in testosterone levels when using short esters (one of the reasons for spontaneous mood swings). I wish your issues resolved soon.
Thank you.
I've really appreciated your reply.
As I've said before, undecanoate is a big challenge but I can try.
Regarding E2 check when is it correct time? After the shot (near to peak) or before the next shot?
Bloodwork will be key, but may not explain everything. The aromatase inhibitor may work or you may have to just stick away from test c. For me I can’t use sustanon, acne gets crazy and moon face gets bad, I switch back to prop and it’s fine.
Also when you switched to cyp, you increased the dose, I’m assuming it was to account for the difference of active testosterone per 100mgs but I still think you had an increase even taking that into account. I think closer to 100 mgs a week would’ve been equivalent. Because you’re doing, on average, 87mgs a week of prop which is like 79mgs active testosterone. And now you’re doing 125 cyp, which is like 87 mgs I think? So that’s a very small increase but idk my math could be wrong. Also it seems like a microscopic dose to need an AI. And I can’t see 8mgs a week causing such a difference. I would either try enanthate or go back to prop, if the bloodwork doesn’t help you solve anything. And even if the bloodwork shows you need an AI, idk if I’d really want to be using one at all times for 100mgs a week.
Thank you for the reply.
I haven't done bloodwork recently but I have done one between the injections of test p (about 48 hours from the last) and serum testosterone was 1.4 ng/ml so pretty low.
Yes I've increased the dose of cyp to account for the difference of active testosterone.
I agree get that bloodwork done before you start throwing more things into the equation.
Thank you for the reply.
Do you think can be an issue related to aromatization?
Without labs you won’t know for certain, but my guess is high estro.
Thank you.
I've really appreciated your opinion.
No problem
Before taking an AI I’d suggest you get blood work done , total test, e2 and prolactin also test for D3 since a deficiency can cause depression.
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If necessary, what AI regimen do you suggest?
I can’t suggest dosages since there’s no blood work, but I’d say possibly you have low vitamin d and high estro. I’d suggest exemastane as an AI choice , but if your e2 is high your doctor can prescribe arimidex, get blood work first , you can also try injecting 3 times weekly. I wouldn’t suggest taking AI’s blindly. Try supplementing with D3+k2 buy one which comes together.
Thank you.
Is there some difference between exemestane and anastrozole?
Yes there is , exemestane is easier on your lipids and acts as a suicidal inhibitor which means there won’t be e2 rebound while arimidex binds reversibly to the aromatase enzyme meaning there can be e2 rebound. If you do some research you can find more in depth explanations on the differences.
I have the same problem with test C especially the bloat. Before I switched to test prop, I would take a quarter of arimidex once a week and the problems would resolve. Now that I switched to test p and pin EOD I have no estrogen problems..
Thank you for the reply.
What was your test c regimen? I assume a quarter of arimidex is 0.25 mg.
On test p what is your dosage?
Ever try pinning test cyp EOD? Just curious
Thank you for the reply.
No I haven't tried yet.
Do you think 31.25 mg test cyp eod can fix the issue? I have switched to test c for less injections frequency.
Potentially, it’s more stable. Usually if the estrogen conversion is the issue ED or EOD helps in the short run, but the bigger problem can sometimes be resolved by just dropping bodyfat.
As I’ve gotten leaner I’m able to run much more infrequent pins with fewer side effects. This is also caused by your body getting used to higher levels of androgens and utilizing them more efficiently.