posted Sun, 06/09/2024 - 10:46
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The Ol’ Primo Ai Questions
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21 Days since starting Primo, haven’t taken any Adex in atleast 14 days. A couple days ago I’ve noticed my back being a little sore, which is rare for me. Today I feel pretty tired and sore through out my body.
From what I read previously it looks like most people ran test at 500 and primo at 800. After consulting with someone they suggested I may not need an Ai with what I’m running now, so I quit after the first week.
I know everyone’s different but would anyone have an idea of how much Primo a week would be equivalent to 1MG of Adex a week?
Bloods will be pulled again this week.
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AK80I do 500 Test and 300 Primo per week. I split it up 3 times per week. Perfect bloods. Let us know what your results are. It's a beautiful thing to be dialed in and not have to worry about a bunch of side effects and other garbage to take looking at a calendar or a piece of paper.
anvilI have tried to figure this out also, but it seems there are so many factors. I just run the blood work and go by that since I am sensitive to estro sides. Even at 800 primo I was still running an AI but like .5 adex per week.
I’ve been waiting on you to chime in, from what I hear you’ve ran a good amount of Meth.
I’m going to schedule my bloods tomorrow and hopefully have some numbers back by Friday.
I’m also on vacation and could just be tired from the drive yesterday, I’d prefer that in all honestly. Still doesn’t explain why I’ve been sore though.
AK80Get some electrolytes in you everyday for the next few days along with some glutamine. Take an epsom salt bath and try to get a massage. Stay hydrated.
anvilYes I love the stuff, and I definitely need less AIs on it, but no formula here just go by the estro results. Yeah the back stuff has me thinking what it could be. With the GH and gear I am hardly ever sore but if you are driving a lot it could have been a combo of the seat and tiredness. Keep me in the loop on this.
The magnitude of an effect that primo has as an AI is different for everybody. I can barely use the stuff, it can easily tank my E2. 2:1 Test:Primo puts me at about the top of the reference range. So it’s not really a practical compound for me to grow on, because I like my E2 x2 the top of the reference range to grow. I’d need to do a shit ton of test in order to run a decent amount of primo. That’s just how my body works, proven through bloods. For others it’s different, they can run test:primo 1:1 or even 1:2. There is no rule of thumb that converts primos AI effect into an adex dosage. The only way you’re going to be able to dial it in is by feel, if you know your body well, or preferably through bloodwork. It’s generally recommended to start primo at a one to one ratio with test, then pull E2 and go from there. Adjust accordingly, to your goals and personal preference of E2 levels
Agreed,
It’s so variable person to person which is why we preach bloodwork so often.
Not sure how many cycles you’ve done but you should start to learn where you fall on the E2 spectrum. If you aromatize highly you may need more primo to test, moderate you may need even primo to test, or very little you may not even be able to run primo without massive test dosages.
Bodyfat is also going to affect your E2, when you’ve been quite lean for a while you’ll notice E2 is generally lower than if you’ve been 15%+
Also overall anabolic exposure. In my early cycles my body churned out E2 like crazy because the high test levels were new and my body hadn’t developed enough muscle yet to really utilize it all. Over the years I’ve been able to get away with progressively higher test doses and now after almost 8 years of gear I can run 750 test with little issue. To put this in perspective when I started 300 mg a week put my E2 well over 100. This is another reason to start small, and slowly ramp doses over many years. When you’re starting out you really don’t need much and in some cases literally cannot use more than a few hundred migs.
anvilBut if I am not mistaken you are diced?? Lower BF ensures less estro conversion .
Thank you, I stay relatively lean these days. Hover in that 8-12% range. It’s much better for overall health and side effects, if you’re going to be running anabolics they work better at lower bodyfat and present fewer issues. If I could go back and tell myself that 8 years ago I would. We’ve all seen pics of Lee priest and jay cutler dirty bulking but they’re the genetic elite in every way, us regular folk need to watch our diet and do our cardio, even in the off season.
anvilYou and I both. Bulk literally meant fast food and crap food back then.
Hey, I stand by a McChicken and a McDouble preworkout
Well said and I learned something
Appreciate your information, I’m wondering if I might be like you and sensitive to it.
I’ve never crashed my E2, but I think it might be low. I’ll have my bloods pulled tomorrow before I do anything for educational purposes.
I think having primo more than test is way too high. I’m sure there is some who can but to me I just don’t see it working out. There’s a metabolite of primo that’s a suicide AI, so it can work pretty well at dropping e2, even completely crashing it for some.
I’d be curious to see your bloods btw, im betting your E2 is fucking tanked.
Edit: I read the 500 and 800 as what you were running now, so if your doing 500 test and 4 primo, that’s better than the other one but still must be too close together for you. I’d say up the test and leave primo alone, idk how much benefit there would be to run the primo much lower. That’s why I would raise test instead of drop primo, wait for bloods just to be sure, if your not doing bloods then I’d go up to about 650 test or you could go all the way to 750 if your feeling froggy, but keep in mind that any changes you make might take a bit to notice since there long esters. If it was shorter esters I’d say go up 100 at a time but you probably don’t want to feel shitty for a month while you wait to see if it worked or not
anvilI think its the EQ that has the suicide metabolite of Exemestane.
Really? I could’ve sworn it was primo, but I think that is the correct name so I much be wrong then.
anvilYeah I could be wrong too, I'll look it up and post back.
Yessir, I appreciate you. If it wasn’t for you I’d been running .6 Adex a week on top of the Primo.
I have some Test E from the same source and I might swap to that tomorrow just incase I need a quicker rebound.
No problem man, and .6 adex and primo together doesn’t even sound crazy but for some it is. I think guys get nervous about estro running to high and jump the gun and just immediately add Ai. But they might need it and might not. Blood work is key.
Also test e is still a long ester, shorter than cyp but still long. If you have prop, or dbol, those can bring you back fast, but if you don’t then you don’t. Both are fairly cheap, in the future it’s a good little thing to have in the “cycle first aid kit”
It’s much harder, for me personally, to gage my E2 when it’s towards the bottom of and falls below the reference range
I'm running 500mg test and 600 primo and I still need half mg of Adex per week. I do aromatize very easily though...
Thank you for your input