+ 2 Planning first Cycle - for Review/Advice
Hi All - Seen so many post with alot of the guys responding and providing education and advice, which is a great community to see!
Thank you in advance for taking additional time from your day to read the below!
32 years old
174cm
76kg
Body type Mesomorph.
I have been reading and reading both in the forums and other sources and although there appears to be some conflicting advice across the board I wanted to see what a cycle might look like here.
I am not sure what other information is required - I do know my actual body fat but have estimated with a calculator online looking and i have seen that this is generally considered on the higher side.
I track my workouts in a spread sheet from my phone and calories/Marcos in an app.
Considering a first Cycle - I have been on and off weights mixed with Muay Thai for 10 years with some time for Family in the middle. The last year I have been mainly weights and are stronger then ever. Looking at bulking up with a cycle.
Currently take creatine, multis, fish oils and tongkat daily
Currently eating 3,000 calories today with split of carbs/protein/fat being 55/30/15 % - 413/225/50grams
I utilise a home gym - squat cage rack and a separate home gym for some cables exercises.
Current routine is
Legs
Chest + Bi
Shoulders/Abs
Back + Tri
Rest day, light cardio or repeat depending how my body is feeling.
Recently had my bloods done by a safe roid website (not sure if i am allowed to say it specifically) - everything came back within the healthy range
Androgens results were:
Test 14.8
SHBG 30
Free test 321
Dosage based on what I think I can access/order where it appears to not be an exact science, eg test e - 400mg per week as first cycle to utilise the 5000mg in two viles of standard 250mg/ml)
Weeks 1 - 12 - 200mg of Test E on both Thursday night and Monday morning - 400mg a week
Weeks 4 - 14 - 0.25 Armidex + 220iu's of HCG ea injection day (mon and thur)
Week 6 - bloods to check levels and adjust dosage of Armidex
Week 15 - PCT starts of daily dose of Nolvadex 40mg/day for two weeks then down to 20mg per day for 2 weeks.
Week 20 - bloods to check recovery.
Appears the consensus is that Nolvadex is preferred over Clomid?
Appears HCG may not be necessary for this cycle but can be used?
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If looking to bulk you need to lower body fat. I would recommend getting to around 12%. That will give you a little wiggle room. Bulking with high bodyfat just makes you fatter with less muscle growth.
https://www.eroids.com/forums/general/general-talk/scientific-proof-lowe...
As far as diet, I would make sure you are hitting about 1K above your TDEE. The AAS will allow you take advantage of the extra protein you can eat due to improved nutrient partitioning so you can gain more muscle, if your bodyfat is low enough to start. 1.5-2g/lb of bodyweight for protein and then make the rest up with your carbs and fats. Good job tracking that because most people don't and the result from their cycle is subpar.
4-500mg of test is plenty. Start your AI like you have planned and the bloodwork will show if you need to adjust. Looks like you have done some homework and is always best to be proactive than reactive when it comes to estro management. The HCG I would pass on. Running a 19nor or long cycle then it would be warranted. Just adds another complexity which you don't need at this point. PCT is nolva AND clomid. You will want to wait at least a month or more after your PCT is complete to check your recovery. Those meds linger a long time and you don't want them to artificially influence the results.
I can tell you have put a little research into this so I hope it goes well for you. Start with your bodyfat low enough and nail the diet like I said and there is really no reason for you to fail.
You have a really good start. The lower BF the better for sure. Only thing I would change is do 500mg test a week, and do clomid and Nolvadex for pct. Clomid 100.100.50.50 and Nolvadex 40.40.20.20. I can't speak in the hcg because I have no experience with it. Also aromasin is less harsh then Adex but the hope still is that you don't need either.
Cheers for the feedback brother!
Some of the posts I read were years old. Some people talked of no pct for a 500mg test only cycle and there was differences in the pct.
Is the standard for first test only cycle still to take an AI like Armidex is small doses from week four? Or the research and generally consensus to take if you feel you need it?
Usually yes, big thing is blood work to dial in the dosing but personally I start taking aromasin if I feel estrogen side effects like spicy nips.
Are you saying 200mg total test per week or 2 x 200mg so 400mg every week ?
If it’s 200mg per week don’t bother that’s a trt dosage and you don’t require that at the moment.
Personally I would run testosterone at 500mg - 750mg a week for a first cycle.
I would not use the armidex at all unless you need to and there more chance you won’t than you will, really not worth the sides if you can avoid it.
If your going to run the hcg during your cycle then I would suggest at least 500iu per week ( personally I would use 1000iu ) assuming your trying to keep from shutting done completely. Now people may disagree with me but I find this pointless and by 4th week on cycle its not going to help . I would instead do 2 x 1000iu shots a week for 3 weeks post cycle .
Then your training split looks fine but I would swap triceps and biceps around
Yeah that's my bad - I can see I did a horrible job setting that out - edited to correct.
Its 400mg of test e per week.
Armidex - I had seen suggested starting with a lower dose and move from there. But ill look more into the sides and risk factors
HCG - again that was suppose to be 440 ius per week split into two doses. I was using it to not have my nuts shrivel and read it made PCT easier?
Training - recently swapped it up from chest/tri to see how it went.
Thanks for the feedback - I will look at instead of lowering doses but buying more vials.