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Over this last week, I started taking a bit higher dose than my TRT dose (80mg a week). I’ve done IM injections before just with my trt to practice, as subq is extremely easy. IM is one thing I’m new to.
I did two shots on my left delt, at various times, one of 100mg sustanon (not going to mention brands because I can’t say 100% it isn’t normal and/or I’m doing something wrong), and 150mg test-e. Both felt fine going in, but have been sore for a few days. I then did a 200mg test-e/test-cyp (400mg/1ml formula) in my leg (upper third towards the left of my left leg area) . Following day, sore as well.
The times I have done it with my pharma stuff with grape seed oil, I had no PIP like this. Is this normal with mct oil, as I’ve read some people are more prone to it? Am I doing something wrong? I’m using BD 25g 1” needles for IM.
Thanks for any and all advice and merry Christmas everyone 
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So just a little update.
Yesterday I did a 100mg (.5ml) shot of test-cyp in MCT oil. I wrapped it in a heating pad while getting everything ready. Was nice and warm when I got to it.
Injected into my thigh. Today, not a lump, not a single bit of soreness at all.
I’ll definitely be warming things from now on, and if using any higher doses products, either dilute them down or do them more frequent. Pretty sure that was my problem, at least I hope so. I was grateful that I woke up today with absolutely no PIP.
Thank you everyone for your time given to me, to help me better understand the cause of pip, and ways to make it more manageable.
A good read from another site explaining what can cause “PIP”
https://www.theironden.com/forum/threads/what-is-pip-post-injection-pain...
Bro THANK YOU. That was an absolutely amazing read, on top of everyone’s advice. Hope you had a merry Christmas and have a happy new year
To keep volume low pin eod it’s totally different if you have plenty of meat there to pin into but sounds like you just aren’t there yet but give it time and you’ll get there good eating and great training will pack muscle onto you’re frame in no time even with a TrT dose good luck brother and keep at it
That’s actually what I was doing previously. Subq my test-cyp with grape seed oil every other day so I wouldn’t have highs and lows. I need to start learning how to do IM properly though.
If you are new to IM shots then pretty much any testosterone shot into the legs is going to cause PIP at first, its a very sensitive area for most people and the virgin muscle takes time to get use to having test injections into it, regardless of what compound/carrier oil it is. Probably took me 6 months to a year before I got no pain when pinning there. It could also be the Test Prop and Phenyl Prop in the Sustanon causing it, many do not tolerate these short esters well even they are only present in small amounts in Sus. Delts are an iffy area to inject buddy - I always had problems with them due to nerves, veins and joints, ligaments. All are close to the surface too. It got to the point that I got sick of injections messing up workouts as shoulders are involved in pretty much any exercise you perform in the upper body, so in the end I stopped using them. Grape seed oil seems to be one of the most tolerated carrier oils, its a good one to build up injection tolerance with for a beginner. MCT came along years later and I'm not sure if I were to begin using MCT whether I wouldn't get PIP too. Lots of variables it could be bro - don't forget you will still get the occasional bad shot even when using compounds and carriers you know you are fine with.
Also I don’t believe the sustanon was the issue, I had the same reaction with regular test-e on its own, Iand the test-/test-cyp blend. Im also going to try warming it up a little before hand, and see if that helps.
All you guys are seriously fucking awesome and I’m proud to be a member here. I hope everyone has a Merry Christmas and happy holidays
All the extra test I have besides what’s for my TRT is in MCT oil. My TRT is actually from the pharmacy, and uses grapeseed oil. I haven’t seen a source that uses grape seed oil. If someone can DM me, that’d be awesome.
I only used my delts and thighs because it was easier to do on my own. Idk if it’s part of the reason, but another member said anything over .5ml in his thighs or delts leaves him with bad PIP. So im going to watch some videos and see how the easiest way to IM in glutes is. See if that may be the issue. I’m just scared I won’t be able to sit for a week lmao.
Its mainly the UK labs that still use Grapeseed oil bud but it will obv mean ordering in Internationally for yourself if you want to give them a go. Glutes can feel a bit tricky and awkward at first as you are turning round on yourself, but you will soon get the knack of it. You can watch it in the mirror but it can feel a bit back to front at first as things are in reverse so to speak. Going into the front upper and lower lats is easy infront of the mirror, they will get sore at first though like any muscle. Chest is easy as long as you know the right areas. Ventroglutes. PIP in the early days is all part of the joys of getting into steroids I'm afraid.
I don’t mind ordering internationally, I’ll just have to search around for one of those vendors. In the cost of it being made with grape seed oil more expensive?
I'm not sure - never brewed gear myself. I know of the labs who still use GSO as thats where I live.
I missed the sustanon part. Yes if you're injecting sustanon 400mg/mL at whatever dosage you still will get pip. It's high milligram plus more alcohol solvents.
Sustanon dosage was only 100mg.
The highest dose I injected was .5ml of a test-e and test-cyp blend that’s 400mg/ml
What they are trying to tell you is any hormone of a higher milligram is more concentrated and will give you pip. That's just the way it is. Regardless, if it's concentrated you still get pip. Concentration is the key.
Sustanon and 400mg per ml as TRT. Thats why you have pip. 400mg per ml is not for new folks. Its for mixing a complex cycle.
Get normal dosed cypionate or enanthate.
That’s not my TRT dose. My TRT dose is 80mg/week.
I only took 100mg of sustanon. The highest dose I took of anything was .5ml (200mg) of a test-e and test-cyp blend that’s dosed at 400mg/ml. I didn’t take 400 in one shot. These were over the course of about a week.
Does not matter. Obviously......its concentration and not the amount. Or why ask if you know?
I misunderstood your response. I thought you meant I was taking that FOR my TRT. That’s why I responded the way I did.
I get what you’re saying now. Just use regular strength until I’m more “advanced”. My bad for my misunderstanding.
One of the spots in my delts was just regular dose test-e, but someone else said when using their delts or thighs, they can’t do anything more than .5ml. Could be part of my problem.
Appreciate the advice. Sorry for my misunderstanding.
Yes...the concentration or strength hits hard with pip. Normal strength if theres pip can be as simple as virgin muscles, techniques and reaction. A little rice bag warmer to warm gear to body temp or warm muscle after increases blood flow and makes pip disappear. You will figure it out
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Thighs have several easy spots if seated. Full relaxed helps or adds trauma. Rubbing the shot spot also adds pip. Heat is your friend
That’s exactly how I do my thighs. Seated and turn my leg a bit. I just never warmed it before. Def going to try that. I could just wrap it in my little heating pad and warm it up and then use that after injection.
I also didn’t know rubbing can add pip. I read somewhere massaging it in after can help with absorption. Guess that source had it backwards.
Also going to try to learn how to do glutes myself. Someone else said they can’t pin anymore than .5 in delts/thighs, and all my pip I have now is in my delt and thigh, from injections .5 or greater.
I still have time to get this down. I’m still most likely a few months away from doing a test only cycle.
I sincerely appreciate everyone here. Like I said before, you guys are amazing.
It could definitely be the brand, bro. You can be sensitive to the carrier oil they’re using
It was two different brands I tried. Both use MCT I believe but both are good sources, from what I can tell.
I just think it comes down to me being new, and using compounds that are stronger causing the PIP. It’s not unbearable, like I don’t need a heat pad and I’m not limping, but I wasn’t sure if I was doing something wrong, the gear was bad, or if it’s just normal. I’ve taken in all this advice that’s been given to me, and I’m going to keep trying for when I’m ready to run my first cycle. I gotta learn how to do glutes, as that seems to be the main “go to” for less pip, esp when injecting more than .5ml.
This shit just made me spit out my egg roll….you can lead a horse to water…………effing good stuff brother….and to the OP’er we’ve all been there at one point or another nobody picked up on all of the rights-wrongs right out the gate….always stay humble and teachable
That’s the best way to make friends here that care and will lead you properly is being humble and being able to admit you’re wrong, accept constructive criticism without becoming a keyboard warrior, and to try not an assume someone is being an asshole, when they’re just trying to help.
You gonna be just fine here at eroids brother
This community has a vast amount of knowledgeable and caring members who do wanna help but so many come on here having all the answers and try to argue because they read something on the internet lol
Yeah that shits frustrating. I run into people like that in a lot of hydroponic growing groups I’m in on Facebook.
People are stuck on “bro science”, and I can even show them actual data to back up my claims since I’m actually rather good at hydroponic growing, and will argue to the end of the world if you tell them there is a better way to do something. So I get that. It’s frustrating as fuck.
I can easily take constructive criticism. I’ve already learned a lot from people here, and had one person who didn’t even know me, spending his time in messages explaining to me how important getting your TRT dose under control before doing anything. I almost did that newbie mistake and just wanted to blast any and everything. He got me away from that, and talked sense into me.
There truly is a LOT of caring, great people here. Sure, people troll around a bit (like the horse leading to water) lmao, but as long as the constructive criticism goes, as long as someone isn’t being a complete dick about it, I’ll admit when I’m wrong and can easily take the advice.
I’m a dumbass. What can I say? Rofl
Join the club! We all were at some point or other, Lol
Im dead....haha
You’re dead? At least you’re not the idiot horse like me
I have been the horse, guinea pig and mule. Giddy up! Real pirate leg you never forget. Its like the best lay you had but shes ugly af.
Bro you just made me die laughing. Pirate leg is like the best lay you had but she’s ugly af. I’m legit laughing my ass off. Fucking hilarious. Let’s all pray I’m not “ARRRRGGGGing” through here anytime soon. I’m sure at some point I will --
@Jockstrap Yep I feel ya. Can be as bad as a damn Rusty nail in the foot. I'll never forget that day. I'm sure you would agree @JakeKO. .merry Christmas
Absolutely! Merry Christmas, Bro!
And by the way..hey man I'm glad to see a fellow eroids brother take his time and do things the right way and not rush to get on cycle. So trt is a life long process so I assume your blood levels of testosterone are naturally low. You are below 40 I see.
Yeah…I think I’ve been suffering from it for much longer than I knew. I dropped down to under 110 lbs. I’m usually 150. I couldn’t gain weight no matter what. I had to buy a suit, the fucking suit was a XS. That’s how much weight I lost. I randomly saw male excel $50 at home test and was like wtf do I have to lose? Test came back in the 200s. Got a referral for a urologist and second test came back at 110. Insurance wouldn’t accept the male excel blood work, so I had to do a third. Came back 311. Cut off is 300 or lower, so they said “nope he’s fine”. They won’t cover my meds because of that…thank god it’s cheap, but I’m thinking of asking about HCG and fuck…the prices are just insane.
I almost did a newbie move and rushed into just blasting anything and everything. Then a member here took it into my DMs and talked sense into me that I need to get my TRT dose down, and then first cycle just run test, and work up from there. I’m glad he did.
I only took this extra bit this week to try out some of the test I got, and for a little extra boost in energy. Just had my bloodwork done on Wednesday, and go back to my urologist next month. So I’ll be going back to regular trt dose until I get the results from my last test. Going to see if he’ll bump me up some because I feel like it’s too little, but gotta wait for the bloods. Also not going to keep putting more in me, because he may want bloodwork done again in like 6-8 weeks.
I’m just wondering if I’m doing IM wrong (don’t think I am) or if it’s just normal. It feels like after getting a vaccine and a little bump.
I had to double read what you said...110 pounds!!! Nah steroids not the answer but nutrition is.
Im on the short side, only 5”5’. Still, 110 pounds was way too low for me. Before starting TRT, all I’d do is eat. I couldn’t keep weight on for my life. I tried for a year. Then I started my TRT. Started feeling a bit more energetic and focused, and I can’t stop eating…but I weighed myself today and I’m 148 pounds. Only thing I’ve changed is being on TRT. My next step is to try and create a better meal plan, even if it’s basic, because I’m eating through $70 of food in 2 days by myself.
I lost some weight struggling with depression. Then October hit and I caught covid BAD. I was bed ridden for 10 days, couldn’t even walk 5 stairs without having to stop and take a break. I lived off of Gatorade, which 50% of the time was thrown up from coughing. Once I got better, it took a good 4-5 days just to start having energy again from being so malnourished. I dropped about 20 pounds then. That’s what led to me being under 110, and no matter how much I’d eat….no fucking weight would stay on. I didn’t know what else to do. My family thought I was back on drugs. I didn’t even wanna look at pics of myself. I wish I could post em here and you’d see a fucking huge difference.
Damn that sux, sorry to hear that. I know you mentioned trt but hope you had an overall health check up.
It’s a work in progress. I don’t have the best insurance, so it’s hard to find someone who takes mine. Right now I’m working with a therapist and psych to figure out my anxiety/depression/adhd/ptsd under control, and also why whenever I sleep, I get hardly any deep sleep. I can sleep 3 hours or 12 and still feel the same. It’s been a slow progress because of waiting lists. I’m trying to figure it out and get back to how I was. It doesn’t help my two jobs are on opposite ends of the day, and the one job I don’t know if I have work till anywhere from a minute to 3 days. That job I have to be up by 5-6 am. My other job, I’m getting in bed by 5-6 am. So my sleep schedule is terrible.
I have some other stuff to do after the holidays. Just been busy with trying to work as much as I could before Christmas. My priority is getting back to somewhat normal, because this shit sucks. Pretty much a midlife crisis. Im fighting through it, and I literally said fuck everyone, I’m taking care of me first now.
If you keep doing the same things , you're gonna keep getting the same results...simple advice man. Health before wealth man. Wishing you and all a Merry Christmas
You’re not wrong at all and I learned the hard way in my younger years. Wealth means shit if you’re 6’ under.
Merry Christmas to you too brother.
I get awful pip mate. Had to try quite a few different brands before finding a carrier oil that works. Remember to heat oil up before you pin, inject slowly and try not to move needle around. If you are used to pinning subq then IM will all be virgin muscle by the sound of it. Should get easier. Personally I’d stay away from pinning quads, can be very painful. Glutes, delts and lats all work well for me but everyone is different. Best of luck with it and let us know how you get on. Ibuprofen, hot bath and ice packs in the meantime mate.
How warm do you recommend heating it up to? That’s something I’ve never done. I don’t want to over heat it, though lmao.
Yeah. Subq is super easy. I’m open about it, I’m in recovery from opiates so I’m no stranger to needles. Sober for 7.5 years. Veins or subq, no problem lmao. IM is new to me, so yeah…all virgin muscle lol. If you don’t mind, can I add you and send you a message?
Feel free to pm me whenever you like. I heat oil by boiling some water putting a small amount in a coffee mug than after a minute standing the oil vials in the hot water for a minute whilst I prep the needles. You just want the oil to become less viscous. Remember to alcohol swab the vials and let the alcohol dry both on your skin and the vials before drawing and pinning. I use Sustanon 250, still get pip sometimes but it’s manageable these days. I’d stay clear of the 400 if you’re pip sensitive.
This guy Rusty once said to put your lips on the barrel and if it feels hot, don’t pin it yet, wait until it feels warm. Like testing a baby bottle. I pinned it too hot once and got the worst feeling that dropped me onto my bed for about five minutes. Didn’t know what the fuck was happening to me, but it definitely wasn’t good. Been Using Jockstraps method ever since. Wait, I mean Rusty’s method, LOL.
If ya know ya know @Jockstrap lolol...100% no doubt
Only place I can pin over .5 cc of anything is to the glutes. I can pin up to 2cc to the glutes with no issues, .5cc or less to the delts, and legs are off limits unless I wanna limp around for two weeks.
This could possibly be part of my issue. Glutes are the only spot I haven’t tried - I’m scared I’ll get pip and won’t be able to sit lmao. All the IM I did recently, were at least .5-.75. It’s just easier for me to do my delts or quads on my own. I’ll have to watch some videos on doing glutes, see if that helps any.