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Over this last week, I started taking a bit higher dose than my TRT dose (80mg a week). I’ve done IM injections before just with my trt to practice, as subq is extremely easy. IM is one thing I’m new to.
I did two shots on my left delt, at various times, one of 100mg sustanon (not going to mention brands because I can’t say 100% it isn’t normal and/or I’m doing something wrong), and 150mg test-e. Both felt fine going in, but have been sore for a few days. I then did a 200mg test-e/test-cyp (400mg/1ml formula) in my leg (upper third towards the left of my left leg area) . Following day, sore as well.
The times I have done it with my pharma stuff with grape seed oil, I had no PIP like this. Is this normal with mct oil, as I’ve read some people are more prone to it? Am I doing something wrong? I’m using BD 25g 1” needles for IM.
Thanks for any and all advice and merry Christmas everyone 
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1 1/2” x 25g pin to the glutes with warmed oils is the way to go for me.
Can a 1” 25g work for glutes or should I put an order in for 1.5”?
Bud I am 200lb's at the same height as you and still use 1" oranges in the glutes, wouldn't dream of going back to the Green big boys - they hurt!! I'm not advising it and you have to find what suits you - but I often still use 5/8 orange needles in quads, back with no lumping and use around 3ml volume each time. I was 150 same as you back in the day and know what depths and tolerances are like at that weight.
Awesome. I’ll stick with the 1” and see how that goes. The 1” don’t hurt, but they are intimidating lolol
For sure I get what you are saying - I use to be needle and blood phobic to hell LOL Its the thought of all that metal plunging an inch inside your body ain't it, the 5/8 are not scary at all. Those 1.5's are horrible things, long and thick and they kill!!! During the first 6 months I use to plunge one of those 1.5 inchers into my chest sat on the sofa most days before I found out about the smaller needles
I got over my fear of needles a long time ago lol. Unfortunately it was only regular insulin needles, like max 27g, preferably 30g lmao. I’m also not used to going straight down. I feel like I’m going to hit something that shouldn’t be hit or hit a bone or some dumb shit lol.
I find it less daunting when I’m able to do it comfy. My doctor originally had my subq on my stomach with 1” 25g needles. It was a bitch. I’d have to hold my stomach fat, put it in on an angle but only half way because it was an inch needle, and try to inject while not moving the needle. Super difficult. I’m hoping I can find a comfortable position for my glutes because otherwise I tend to try to inject fast as I can because it’s awkward.
At your weight. 1” would probably be fine, I have a little more meat on my ass, so 1.5” works best for me. I can actually feel when the pin pierces my muscle, and it’s at least 3/4” in at the time. You don’t want that shit sitting right at the top of the muscle or you can get lumps or abscesses. Not a fun time
I am short though - 5’5”. My thighs and legs are where most of my fat is. So I may need a 1.5”. Probably order a box - they’re cheap enough.
I almost lost my arm from an abscess. Back in 2008 when I was in active addiction, I didn’t know how to inject correctly and was “skin popping” (basically subq) and it got infected. Didn’t know what it was, by the time I went to the hospital because it wasn’t getting better they had to admit me and put a vacuum on my arm to keep it drained. I spent a week in the hospital.
That’s part of the reason why I made another post about reusing single dose vials.
Your profile stay says 5'8 bud.
It does. Not everything on my profile is accurate. Another member made a point when I posted pics of vials with my fingers in them, and said I should be more careful…they could get my prints from the pic, and it’s not always a bad idea to change a few things around to “throw the wrong people off”.
So, a couple of things may or may not be correct. However, if I’m to make a post, the info will be correct.
Ahh no worries mate, it just means when people check your stats when you are asking for advice they can give you the best answers thats all.
Understandable. I changed those stats around and corrected it, I didn’t think of people checking that when I ask for help. Everything else is pretty spot on.
Exactly that's why I said it's a complex issue cause pip affects folks differently. But yea normally the glutes are your best bet.
Good question. Me and a few other guys like Ghost are the most pip sensitive around here so I know a thing or two about pip lol. It's kind of a complex issue. Pip can be caused by various reasons from injecting too fast, oil type or viscosity or just a first time inject location. But also regardless of what I mentioned, some folks like myself are just pip sensitive regardless of anything. I've had less pip with grapeseed oil than I've had with mct oil. Some muscles give me more pip than other locations. And yes you can inject and be fine but a few days later pip can kick in, this is normal. In alot of cases the hormone is left crystallized in the muscle while the solvents and oil have absorbed. I prefer grapeseed oil personally.
Yeah the grapeseed oil is nice and smooth. Can’t always be super picky though. That’s usually how it is for me, the first day I’m fine. It’s the next and following days I get the pip.
Someone else said in the areas I’ve went, anything over .5 gives him pip. All my injections were over .5. Could be part of the issue. Going to have to look into glutes, delts and my thighs are just easier to do on my own. I’ll watch some videos, I’m sure they’re are some tricks out there. I could also just be PIP sensitive…which I hope isn’t the case --
Ive been sitting on a heating pad for 4 days you want to talk about PIP …. All over test 250 hmmmmm
5 pins and 5 (pips) but this last one took me out for DAYS
MERRY CHRISTMAS LIMP. And no muscle on this body virgin
Damn, Bro, was it crashed??? I’ve only had an issue with test from one popular domestic source. Never used that source again for anything. My other worst glute PIP issues have been from crashed gear that I reheated. I’ll never do that again either, if it crashed, it trashed. Never again.
Damn dude and this is my fear of trying glutes. I don’t wanna not be able to sit lolol but then again I don’t even think I’d be able to really push myself with PIP in arms/legs. Catch 22. Fml lol
Bro, glutes are a walk in the park compared to the body parts you’ve pinned. And if it isn’t Pharma. SubQ is also a bad idea. Also, as Jockstrap was explaining to you, the High mg compounds may sound appealing, but most of them will cause PIP, and so will real Sustanon. The are a few really good 350mg Sustanon products that I love, but they are not real Sustanon. The are simply P, C, E blends.
This is what was in the sustanon I have.
55.66 mg/ml Testosterone Propionate; 55.87 mg/ml Testosterone Pheny propionate; 57.75
mg/ml Testosterone Isocaproate; 112.51 mg/ml Testosterone Decanoate;
Not sure if that’s “real” sustanon but it’s from a reliable source so I’d assume so?
Yeah, the high MG compounds I saw and was like “that’d be easier, since I’d have to inject less”. Didn’t know that higher concentrations can cause PIP.
Also good to know if I’m doing okay with delta and legs, and glutes are easier, is awesome.
Personally in my experience, even subq my pharma anything more than like .25 at a time, causes a lump. I also learned the hard way not to subq MCT lol. Figuring this out, looks like my best bet when I do end up doing my first cycle, I’ll pin more frequently so I can inject less.
I just got my bloods back from Wednesday, and the dose my urologist has me on (80mg a week, 40mg 2x) and it came back 781 test, 24.7 free, but my estradiol is high at 63. He will probably keep me at this dose, but need to do something to get my estrogen under control. I’d like to take HCG but it’s like $300 for a 10,000 IU bottle. Idk how much a usual dosage is. I found a GoodRx coupon for ONE place that will sell it for a little over $100, but it’s rite aid and they’re closing by the day and idk if they’ll accept it.
Sounds like me if I inject anything with EO in it. Good luck brother
@wanted Damn wonder what brand is that test from? That's crazy but not surprising. I remember awhile back folks were having pip issues with test e. I know I did...lol Merry Christmas you smooth talkin, hollywood model looking womanizer!
Merry Christmas