posted Sun, 11/26/2023 - 08:06
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Thinking of NPP
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I’m thinking of doing some NPP I have been cruising on Test C 250 once a week for about 8 weeks now . Thinking of my next cycle . I was thinking of NPP but a low dose maybe 50mg EOD ? Thoughts is the dose to low to get any benefits from it ? If so I would pin 100 EOD. Do I need and AI with it ? I was also thinking of bumping the test to 500 a week . What’s everyone’s experience with NPP and advice on the cycle ?
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I wouldn't bother with 50mg EOD of NPP. 100mg EOD if you are going to use it along with 500mg test. You are sitll going to hold water with NPP so to really minimimze that you would also benefit from adding mast into the stack if concerned about subq water.
Why NPP? What are your goals. I think you’d be better off bumping up to 500mg of test per week alone. NPP is great, but what makes you think that’s what you need? If you’re willing to pin EOD, you’re better off running Test Prop 50mg/NPP 50mg EOD for 8-10 weeks. Although, you could also do Test C or E 500mg/ Deca 300mg and see some great results as well.
NPP was suggested to me instead of Tren A. I’m looking for a dryer leaner look . I do have 3 bottles of Deca also but I don’t want the water retention . Also I have ran test c at 500 3 cycles I was told adding another compound to the test you benefit more
I wouldn’t recommend using a 19-nor as a first 2nd compound. Now you’ll have to start worrying about other hormones like prolactin, if you don’t have a strong grasp of how you handle estro then you don’t want to add more to the mix. I’d probably stick to an oral or a DHT derivative but then you have the hair issues, if hair loss is a concern for you then you might want to do the NPP. But I’d definitely do your research on prolactin and get your bloods done before to get a baseline. Also I wouldn’t run it that low, I’d do at least 100 EOD but idk if 50 would be useless but I just wouldn’t do it,. Idk if any other guys have experience running it real low
I had labs done posted them maybe 6 weeks ago everything was good cholesterol was a little high but I was coming off of 7 weeks of Anavar . I handle estrogen pretty well I have blasted 3 cycles of test never any issues . Also winny Anavar and some dbol . I don’t seem to be effected my estrogen to bad what do you suggest for prolactin control ?
Oh sweet. I thought you only did the one test cycle. And it’s not like your Guaranteed to have prolactin issues it’s just that it can be an issue once you add in nandro. As long as you monitor things you’ll be good but might want to have caber on hand. That’s what I’ve always used. If I’m feeling sensitive nipples on NPP then I know My prolactin is high. I’ll take caber once and and then wait three days and then take it every three days if necessary. I usually end up taking it about once a week on NPP. I think I was on 500mg a week tho, less then like 400 and I don’t think I needed it at all.
The most I would run is 300 a week . I couldn’t just use nolvaldex if I got sensitive nipples ? I also have aromasin I’ll be taking eod 12.5
Nope on just the nolva, Prolactin and estro induced gyno are two separate pathways. You will need caber for that.
Isn’t there some relationship between the two, that if you crash one then you can’t have any issue with the other? I think i had read somewhere that if you crash your estrogen then no matter how high your prolactin gets, the gyno can’t grow because there’s no estro present, or it might’ve been the other way around. Have you ever heard that or know if that’s true?
To high of estro typically will go hand in hand with high prolactin and eventually gyno. Keeping estro at a manageable level will help prevent high prolactin but only to a certain extent. Nolva does nothing to lower estro, it just binds to the receptors, many of which are present in the breasts, and basically keeps it from attaching and activating those receptors. You can still experience all the other potential symptoms of high estro like moodiness, water retention, plaque build up, etc. It does nothing to affect the progesterone receptors that a 19-nor will activate. This won't be so much of a gyno issue but more of a lactation issue. Best way to manage gyno is always with an AI then nolva if you fucked up and need to correct gyno right away. If you manage estro while using deca/npp you shouldn't have any actual gyno issues but you can still lactate and have sensitive nips if prolactin get out of hand. There is also some evidence out there that nolva can exacerbate this.
Pearls of wisdom as always....
Aromasin while on cycle then ?
That is the AI that I prefer. Still need to keep caber on hand to knock out prolactin if need be. With my estro in range I don't need caber unless going over 300mg of NPP/Deca. Need it regardless though when using ment. Some bloodwork will let you know, which is better than waiting until your nips start leaking to let you know you need caber.
You could but that’s why it’s important to get blood work because for ME, prolactin flares up mine. Estrogen also does, but it’s a confusing relationship between the two. I don’t fully understand it, but I know for me my gyno symptoms are 100% prolactin related. If I keep my prolactin under control then my estrogen seems to kinda keep it self in check. But some guys aromatize more estrogen so you might only have to worry about the estrogen and not the prolactin. That’s why just taking nolvadex or caber when you feel sensitive nipples without blood work isn’t always the best idea because you don’t know which one you need. If your not on nandro or tren then obviously it’s from estro . Also I don’t just take aromasin regularly if I don’t have symptoms or already know what dose of test is high enough for me to need one. But again it’s different for you then it is for me.