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Hope everyone is well on this Friday evening, not a great week for me, but not terrible so I'll take it. I have a question, and this is a great place for it. I'm very knowledgeable about physiological processes, but not so much with these compounds. With that being said, I'm currently on TRT, clinic, so its a heavy cruise. For now I'm ok with it, my PCP knows what I do and I'm in very healthy ranges. Ok, so when we look to start a cycle, or go from cruise to blast, the thing that is baffling me is the frontloading of long esters. I saw I little while back someone was doing it with Deca. This theory makes no sense to me. When half lives and the variable absorption rates of individuals are considered, instead of preloading long esters should we not introduce short esters or a blend as it will be utilized at a better rate? I like to compare things to OTC medications, would it make sense to take a double dose of extended release headache medicine, or an extended release with something fast acting like alka-seltzer? (Almost immediate). I'm going to appreciate the feedback, best wishes to all.
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Personally I usually kickstart with prop.
ClassyChassisFrontloading just gets you to the steady state level that you will reach eventually, but it does it more quickly.
If you are doing 600mg/wk of Enan for example @ 200mg 3x/wk and you do 600mg for your first shot and then continue w the 200mg protocol let's say. This doesn't get your level too high, it just jumpstarts you to where you are going to be in 3 wks or so anyway. The headache medication analogy isnt good bc its half life isnt anywhere near that of the enan. Using short esters works also.
ClassyChassisFor those who arent clear on how half lives work, imagine a litre of orange juice w a half life of 5 days. There is a very small hole in the bottom of the container and 500ml leak out every 5 days
After 5 days, you top off the container with water. Now there is 500 ml OJ and 500ml water. After another 5 days, there is 250ml of each. Top off again. Now there is only 250ml OJ and 750ml water. After 5 days there will be 125ml OJ. After another 5 days there will be 62.5. Etc
In this case the OJ represents Enan obviously. But you've been taking more and more shots and every one is reducing in this same slow manner and adding on to the previous and building up.
Some people understand half life to mean if half is gone in 5 days, then it's all gone in 10, and this is not the case. You can also see that you are going to have a significant amount of a long ester that has possibly built up to a steady state of 2 or 3 grams (depending upon what all you've been doing) for quite awhile after your last shot. You should take all this into consideration when planning pct.
Speaking in generalities, most drugs take four to five half-lives to reach steady state and five to seven half-lives for functional elimination. Which is why adding short compounds for a couple wks at the end after you discontinue the big esters can also make sense.
Molinin302Thanks for taking the time, nice, simple, but thorough explanation. Appreciate it big guy.
ClassyChassisYou're welcome brother.
AnonWhy not kickstart that Deca cycle with an oral like Anavar for the first 6 weeks? Get the Anavar gains then boom the Deca kicks in strong.
thats literally my cycle rn bro, im 1 week in
AnonI want to run the same thing. I'm stocked up on Test and Deca but haven't started my cycle yet. I got time to get some anavar before I start.
Your going to get a mixed bag on this one. I will agree on the adding a short ester at the beginning instead of front loading. Seems to me double dosing a long ester will just compound the sides when it does hit. My 2 cents. Just from my experience with deca and npp. Deca is gold around week 6 and npp hits in a week. So a stack involving deca can be sped up with the short and when the long hits drop it and ride the deca. I would also prefer to either do one or the other . A 6 week npp cycle is a good start instead of a 12 or 16 week of deca.
Side note im eating that steak you bought with my lady tonight. Its delicious and a huge baked potato.
Molinin302Thanks for the input man, thats exactly where I am. My next run will be deca kicked off with NPP. It just makes sense when the pharmacology. And as far as that dinner... enjoy it man! Nothing like a proper steak. And that potato better be dressed just a little lol. Sour cream, cheese, broccoli, bacon, another potato...
Ive always agreed with Shred and Billy G. Supplement with an oral or a short ester. You will get 50 say front load and 50 say its overrated but the end trial results are not that far apart enough to say which one is actually the most beneficial. Guess it depends on your sides. Ive always stayed away from front loading and just use that amount to stay on a week or more.
Also , I didn't allude to the idea with front loading just causing a spike in levels causing a spike in side effects and also still having to wait the long period. Then just to experience a let down when the levels plane out.
And yes, 16 bone in new York strip, fully loaded baked potato, (jacketed potato for press). Also the tiny loaf of bread and coconut shrimps.
Aah Ya made me laugh Bill when I saw that Lol
Not shrimp - 'Prawn's haha
Prawns!
Got it.
My auntie always said they are the cockroach of the ocean. She's a drunk liberal from California though so I never listened to her. Ocean roaches are delicious
You ever eaten one of those Puffa Fish?
No. Not my flavor profile. I prefer the non poisonous types of fish
Oh c'mon live a little Mr G - Why not dice with death when eating?
Man its got cold here now, 6 C currently. Got my slippers on the floor is so cold Lol
Even the tren isn't keeping me warm, speaking of tren coming off it now. Sick to death of it and adrol Lol
AnonTren E? Cus I'm about ready to blast ace again lol I finally got rid of the bloat and mad heartburn from the E...took what, two weeks?? Bleh. But that ace doesn't treat me wrong!!
I've been liking using 100 adrol pre-work out only recently. I still hit a little dbol too
What you getting tooooo strong bro?
I've just hit that stage with it where I just feel knackered, winded and shit with it all the time Lol
Feeling winded just from washing your hair in the shower is no longer fun mate. You can just tell the inside of you is now unhealthy as fawk Lol
Molinin302I havent, but I would. I mean, its gotta be something special right? Isn't there a several year long certification process before a chef is allowed to serve it? Not like Press's macaroons lol. Press, love ya bro!
What the Hell is a macaroon Mol? Lol
Molinin302I honestly thought it was a British thing. A very light and tasty soft cookie with coconut as a popular topping... macaroons are awesome for the record.
It is a typical Italian dessert with a strong taste.
They come from Italy Mol LMAO
Molinin302Nice! I'm a ribeye guy, but can't go wrong with a strip. Extra kudos for the shrimp.
I prefer a rib eye for flavor. The restaurants will never make it as I do( as perfection) at home. So the strip is a safer bet .
In this order
1. Ribeye
2. Newyork strip
3. Porterhouse or tbone
4. Filet
5. Petite sirloin.
Thats my order of best to least. But i imagine in heaven a plate with all 5 and a stomach big enough to finish the plate.
I had Bourbon Beef Brisket with onion mash potatoe last night if that turns anyone on at all LOL
I had some serious morning wood if that counts. Sounds delicious
I prefer sweet potato over a bland white potato unless i load with massive butter. Oh yeah i forgot the topic of the week is health and cholesterol lol. But like a mashed (not whipped) potatos with onions mixed is good
I love a white jacket with tonnes of butter and salt on top, then tuna mayo and grated cheese :-)
Or Chilli beef and cheese
Or Cajun Chicken
Or just with some Southern Fried chicken fillet - Hell I love Jacket potatoes LMAO
Should we be adding a disclaimer for the new guy reading thinking he can eat like this everyday? Lol
new guys have thier own stupid shit to worry about. We literally just hijacked this thread and went our own way like always. Totally useless as usual we are
Yeh No salad talk on this page eh Bill LMAO
Mol wanted to talk about pre-loading compounds - We wanted to talk about food HAhaha
I'm a second hand vegetarian.
I only eat veggies that have already turned into an animal
Molinin302Bro, can never go wrong with food as a topic...
Wife is shopping now i told her grab some steaks so we can use up the rest of the propane before winter. But ill grill out on the porch in 0 degree weather. She cooks all meals but not allowed to grill steak. That is my job and i will only eat my cooking when it comes to grilling. She likes the medium well or well done ruining the while thing.
Yeh once steak is too well done its just crap isn't it, like chewing through Mols crusty underwear after he's been to the Chinese buffet .....
I must say I love grilled chicken damn - thats where you guys easily have us on cuisine like that. We try to copy but just not the real thing, same with all the sauces.
Yes a nice moist piece of grilled chicken. Got to have a little little pink to that also to be perfect.
Do you view those as unhealthy Pumped? Damn I eat like that everyday and can't get a smidgen past 200 Lol And finish every meal with ice cream.
Same here. But i think all the fat we "dont" trim off the steak and the amount of butter we use may categorize as "unhealthy" lol