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Granted I'm newer, not uneducated. I keep seeing posts regarding little to no PIP, this strikes me as odd. My cycles are from an UGL, however my TRT is Dr prescribed and from a pharmacy. The 100% legit cypionate sometimes gives me soreness. (I'm old school and go with what I was taught in college, always glute, always deep, always aspirate). Regardless, the pharmaceutical grade can and will give PIP at times, and oddly enough the stuff I get from my other provider feels the exact same. Whatever oil he uses seems to go in quicker though. Thoughts on this? It just seems weird to me that no PIP is a good thing...

robb's picture

I rarely get pip in my glutes, whatever I pin but always seem to get a mild pip in my delts and quads.

A lot of gear users have some tolerance to the pain, and as long as its not debilitating pain getting in the way of normal life will dismiss mild pip as nothing.

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johnmarshall12's picture

There will almost always be some amount of PIP. Between the oil the BA, the BB, it's unavoidable. However, when a UGL overdoses stuff harsh PIP can result!

IrishMack's picture

My prescription sometimes gives me pip as well and it can happen one week and the next I get nothing. I don't let it worry me when someone says pip free unless they say it's always pip free. If pharma gives pip and ugl not, there you go.

GreatSpear's picture

When I think of it, I differentiate between pain from the needle itself and from the fluid going in, as compared to pain that is the result of irritation from the oil/compound/solvent.

If I say no pip, I mean that the oil/solvent/compound do not cause me any irritation/pain/discomfort over what could normally be caused by any injection.

gapi2911's picture

Well, there are so many factors on this mather...like concentration (high concentration...high PIP), solvent (more BA and BB...more PIP), carrier oil, injection spot, needle length, ester length (shorter the ester-higher PIP), virgin muscle, nerves...

Some can be fixed as you can dilute with sterile oil or other gear like test enanthate.
You can use hot pads, this usually helps (but never ice pads)

And like you notice yourself pharma gear does not necessarily mean no PIP...For TRT I get NEBIDO from Bayer on prescription in EU pharmacy here and ALWAYS get PIP from it. OK, it is true that this is 4ml amp but I rarely get any PIP even when large volume injected like 6ml of total gear in one shot.

And in my experience, there is no better carrier oil like miqlyol 840. , not once I got PIP from any gear with that carrier oil.

Bearded_muscle's picture

I think a distinction should be made between “real” pip (serious discomfort to the point of discouraging injection/debilitating) and just the usual soreness caused by jabbing a needle through your skin and into your muscle tissue.

Of course that’s going to hurt slightly but if your idea of pip is a half to a whole cc of pharma test cyp then you’re very fortunate. It can get much, much worse. Try some high mg DHB. Sometimes you can’t even bend the muscle you injected into afterwords.