posted Thu, 07/16/2020 - 04:49
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So I've read a few different articles from doing a google search that suggest HGH use can be beneficial to help increase male fertility. Wanted to know some of your guy's thoughts on this and if you disagree whether that be based upon other studies you have seen or personal experience.
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Any advice on some one entering the 18xray program ?
Yeah. Take it seriously. They will help condition you to prepare you for your 3 weeks at SFAS. You'll do your workouts with your other candidates in the morning and you'll be released early so you will have plenty of time to get in extra workouts on your own. Don't be lazy, and hold yourself accountable. And don't be a dick or a know it all. You have to keep in mind when you go to selection your going to be there with dudes who have been active duty for quite sometime, multiple deployments under their belt, etc. It is very easy to get peered out if you don't know how to work with other people and be mature. Good luck.
Keep your butthole tight and obey your staff sergeant! ;)
lmao!
Just read this, nice result, and thanks for reporting it.
What's up guys. Just wanted to post an update to my original post. As I stated in one of my posts in this thread, I dropped the HCG and went full send on HGH. I recently did a semen analysis back in the beginning of August and my results were stunning.
I hate to sound over dramatic, but after being on a large dose of HCG for a year with not much results, I was quite frankly stunned when the Civilian doc at UNC read me my new numbers. He was stunned. I wanted to tell him so bad about the GH use but It was only my second time seeing him and I wasn't sure how he would react. My numbers tripled since my last analysis in april which includes my test level, FH, LH, and Sperm Count. Doc even told me that I was now in the ball park to conceive naturally instead of IUI or IVF.
I got these results after only 8 weeks on 4-5IU of GH...generic at that. Now this is just strictly GH...no clomid, no hcg, no vitamins. Just pure pt, GH, and a clean diet.
After my august analysis, he prescribed me 25mg clomid ED which I have been taking since around the 8th of august. Last Thursday, Sep 3rd My wife found out that she was 4 weeks pregnant! We were very excited to say the least. Sadly this morning, Sep 8th my wife called me on my way to work telling me she had some slight bleeding. A few hours later she went to the hospital, got some labs done, and she was indeed pregnant, but she miscarried. It was Bad news to say the least but there is always a silver lining...I know I can now get my wife pregnant!
So In conclusion, I am in no way claiming that HGH is a compound that could or should be solidified as an option for male infertility treatment. I am the farthest thing from an expert. just a self educated and imperfect man. However, the results do speak for themselves. I had been taking 25mg of clomid ED for less then a month before she got pregnant...maybe the clomid was the icing on the cake so to speak. Maybe I was just flat out deficient in Natty GH to begin with? All I know is that my fertility life took a 180 in a positive direction after I started taking HGH.
Here endeth the rant.
Lab work: https://www.eroids.com/pics/gh-and-fertilityinfertility
Congrats man. That is wonderful news on multiple levels. I have a fair bit of knowledge here, but I’m no endocrinologist or fertility shaman. However, I’d say the clomid is probably the agent doing the brunt of the lifting here. Clomid is wonderful for restoring low-mid test levels and that feedback, combined with some direct FSH pulse frequency increase do a damn good job for many men with idiopathic Pituitarypathology. The issue for a urologist or endocrinologist who isn’t familiar with bodybuilding related infertility won’t exactly go with the lower doses like you were given. There is currently no consensus amongst infertility experts on the management of idiopathic oligospermia, which is the main barrier given we can get people’s T, LH, and FSH back fairly well but with poor fertility results. The combination of vitamin e and zinc works for certain veinous conditions in the testes remarkably well, and even helps in men who aren’t male factor infertile. I still ask my girlfriend if she wants a “zinc shot” every now and then jokingly, but it’s a long standing joke between us based on her noticing a more hefty load when I supplement with zinc (properly, there’s more to it than may seem but that’s another topic). You’re lucky to have had results in the critical 3 month period as a 1/4 or so of men will, but if not the rest of the responders usually take 12 months. I have also heard wise words about the T:E ratio playing a crucial and often unidentified role. Estrogen can become produced intratesticularly after some pathologies that fuck spermatogenesis. For some, leveling the test at a mid range at most and anchoring that number with levels of shbg and albumin can help normalize and predict an estrogen level in range relative to testosterone. These are the guys that clomid works best on. Do you know if you were given the enclomaphine citrate or the clomid citrate with both stereoisomers? Real happy for you man!
Also, it is widely known that hcg must be used for short bursts as the fertility benefits fade after a few months. My guess is they didn’t time the dose right, and/or you were sensitive to hcg from past use and it’s efficacy was reduced, thereby necessitating initial higher dose than a naive patient. They should have tried HMG imo.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3183524/
"In the testicle, levels of IGF-1 are measurably elevated when stimulated by HGH, which may stimulate maturation of spermatozoa in a paracrine- autocrine manner (31). parameters, including sperm concentration and motility."
There is your answer bud. HGH through IGF-1 conversation does increase sperm count.
I would look into the Dave Palumbo babymaking protocol!
https://youtu.be/-A4opGrWc_E
I've watched his video that he did from the clinic in Florida. Seems legit. Still haven't came across a source for HMG. May consider calling the clinic he went to...see if they are willing to work with out of state patients (I'm in NC) not being far from Florida.
Keep in mind that your gh dose is quite high. Far above any reasonable HRT level. Not that there’s anything wrong with that but just recognize the risks of staying at that dose long term. Organ growth, LVH, diabetes... again, none of those are short term risks, I just wouldn’t run it that high forever.
Thank you for the reply. I definitely don't plan on staying at 5iu long term. What's the longest time you'd personally run gh at 5iu ed?
I’ll give you my broscienced out answer because frankly I don’t know.
Hrt level gh is usually around 1 iu a day, maybe 2. So let’s take the high end of that and say 2 units is high normal, you’re taking about twice that dose so if you’re on for 50% of the time then off for the other 50% you’re averaging about 2 units year round. So maybe 6 months on six months off? But it’s entirely up to you.
If you’re training hard enough to be pulling most of the igf into your muscles and your pancreas isn’t getting worn out from insulin resistance then I think 2.5-3 iu is a dose you could run year round with minimal long term risk. Again, this is just my opinion, not proven science.
Molinin302Bloodwork my friend. Its the only way to get to the root cause.
100% agree. Both me and my wife are 32. She has two children from a previous marriage and I have none, but we both want more. I have 3 cycles under my belt so to speak, and came off the last one in May of 19 (Came off all cycles using proper PCT). Last may I went into the Army hospital I go to and did bloodwork and a sperm analysis for the fertility clinic and naturally they kind of freaked the fuck out lol. Long story short my motal sperm count was essentially zero.
They finally put me on HCG in August of '19 @6,000IU per week. Things have gotten much better as far as sperm count goes but taking such a massive dose of HCG and them prescribing me letrozole for almost the past year eventually made me feel like absolute shit. As of 2 months ago my test level was at 258...which is quite low.
So I got tired of feeling like shit and did some research into HGH (which is when I read about the positive effects on male fertility). I could not and did not want to go back to test because it would no doubt destroy my sperm count again. I decided to run with it and have been on 5IU ED for 6 weeks today. I feel worlds better. I sleep better, and my libido is starting to return to normal. I go in tomorrow to do a full panel of blood work and next week a sperm analysis.
I apologize for the long post, however i realize I probably should have included this information in my original post.
Molinin302Unfortunately I'm more of an A&P guy, as far as fertility treatments theres guys on here that I'm sure can give you some sound advice, and remember, always be up front and honest with your Dr. (At least as honest as you can be). Best wishes and good luck to you and your Mrs.
Thanks brother.
Here are things that work for increasing sperm count. IF this doesn't work then I don't know what will.
Proviron, HCG and Clomid are the trifecta for prescription medication.
Herbs: Maca Root, Ashwagandha, Tribulus Terrestris, Chlorophytum arundinaceum, Hygrophila Seed Extract and Crocus sativus, Ginseng, Horny Goat Weed, and Saw Palmetto
Vitamin C, D, E, Zinc, L-Carnitine, L-Arginine, coenzyme-Q10
Awesome I appreciate it. What dose of Proviron would you recommend? I would assume no more then 50mg per day?
Proviron 25mg ED
Clomid 25mg ED
HCG 250iu ED
I am not a doctor but research has been conducted at these dosages. I know it was effective in treatment of male infertility. I would also buy the herbs and vitamins that I recommended. I just hope you don't get her pregnant with sextuplets lol
lmao! Appreciate it bro!
Clomid is a female fertility drug that can be used by males to not only increase testosterone, but also sperm count. Some people use clomid only for trt. So, it does work well in my opinion as a male fertility drug, and I know Drs have prescribed it for that purpose. It being an army hospital I don’t know how far outside the box they are willing to think, but they already gave you HCG which is primarily for females anyway. It’s not like you would have to stay on clomid for life, just while you and your wife are trying to get pregnant. I’d ask them. Research it yourself, and you may have to look around for a healthcare provider with an open mind.
Thank you for the reply. I actually just recently got a referral to a civilian university hospital/clinic not to far from where I am that is going to prescribe me clomid but that isn't until the beginning of August.
Well, I’d just keep practicing getting her pregnant as much as you can until then, what could it hurt?
Absolutely haha.
It depends what the cause of infertility is. If the body is not producing enough of a specific protein that is necessary for sperm development and functioning, then HGH may indeed be helpful.