+ 2 Advanced cycle advice (Test/Mast E/Deca)
Ok, these two (deca & mast) typically don't go together. Mast is a dht with amazing effects on vascularity, harnening of the muscle and libido. Deca is a 19nor excellent for bulking. I do not want to get the balloon face that deca will give. The progesterone related sides (if any) would be kept under control with Caber. Although mast has it's own anti-estro effects, it may not be enough to really control estrogen/progesterone combo so Aromasin will be run at 12.5 eod and tweeked along the way. The idea is to pack on weight but keep it from getting sloppy. I have very ,VERY low bf and all the weight I managed to keep post cycle/post operation is lean, hard quality muscle. I've dried out very badly. It's to the point that all my joits hurt even when i'm not training. Deca and it's positive effects on connective tissue and joint lubricating properties should help me with that. It should also help pack on weight along side test. I've dropped a lot of weight since my last cycle. I had to cut it short and couldn't run pct (medical reasons). I am right back where I started before the last run. 175lbs with extremely low bf. I have decided it's time to give tren a break or I would have run test/EQ /Tren E ( a suggestion by Viking). So i'd like to hear your thoughts on my approach. If it's a ridiculous idea and you think it's dumb, say so. I want to make this next run count. If you don't like this cycle idea then give me an alternative based on my goals. I am also going to be incorporating HGH (with Treads help) as soon as I find a good human grade.
Test:750mg/week
Deca: 500mg/week
Mast E: 300mg/week
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To use this cycle en masse, that of Viking is the top Testo / Eq / trenE And even at the end of the cycle I would have to stop the boldo and put a masteronP on 6 last week to gain in quality. Logically with your Gh in addition you should make good gains
If you are worried about having too much shit with deca why not replace it with a 750mg boldenone its will suffice and logically if you include good lipids in your diet and a little collagen your joints should be fine.
That’s not an advanced cycle homie
PcushionLol that’s the standard make sure your dick keep working nandrolone cycle. Seriously though the metabolites make this hormone tricky for less advanced users.
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I prefer Tren over Deca anyways...
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Do u think its a good i dea to do the cycle for the principal of keeping estrogen down. For some reason AI doesnt work for me, and nipples are always sensitive. So thought to add the Mast p for the hopeful reversal aspect as well.
PcushionYou need a SERM. I recommend torem.
Well thank you all for not co-signing my bullshit logic. I was hoping there was a way to control Deca's bloat with Mast. I know what works and I know what I need to do! Appreciate it gentlmen
IMO deca with aromasin wont be much different then EQ, diet, water intake, sodium, keep an eye out if your holding water, but if you got that down then run the deca. its good on joints as you already know and kicks much faster then EQ, its a quality bulker when diet is dialed in. I do like the add of primo instead of mast, the only thing different is I would suggest proviron as well. keep an eye on BP. how long do you want to run it for?
I'd say at least a full 12 weeks with Deca in the mix. So the general concensus seems to be EQ over Deca. And Primo over Mast. If I went that route I'd extend the cycle to 14 weeks. I have never used Primo. What dose would be effective along side test/EQ? The masteron being an anti-e in its own right, i assumed would help control water. I used provi last cycle about half way through. It was great except I got gyno when I stopped. Estro rebound? I was NOT running an AI at the time
if I where running a cycle just for the hell of cycling, which I always do :), I would run EQ over deca, However if I had your goals in mind I would run deca over EQ....As for the primo over mast? yes! Simply because primo is a far greater compound, and the reasons your using mast are all covered with provi...As for the primo? first run, id suggest 600mg/w...As for cycle length id go 14 with the deca and 15 with the test and primo.
I appreciate the feedback (all of you). One last question, i'm a tren whore, i've always run tren without any terrible sides. I've even run it at a slightly higher dose than test with minimal sides. My question is what do you think the test dose should be for the Primo/EQ/Test cycle? Is it safe to run low test with high EQ/ Primo? When I say low I mean 4-500mg/wk. Primo would be 600mg as you suggested and EQ the same
If that is the chosen stack bro personally i would go as low as 300mg test to get the best from the primo.. it will leave you looking hard and polished so the low test is a bonus to totally reduce the chance of any test bloat imo... best results from primo would come from a 14/16 week run again i am saying this has it worked wonders for me at that ratio/cycle length many times... dont expect massive weight gain here brother instead let the mirror be the judge were gains are concerned... what you are about to do would be a pre/contest cycle for me.
For me for a super hard finish i would employ winstrol for the last 4wks also... i.e instead of pinning a full cc into one muscle hit half cc into each delt or pec for example... seems to work better this way and helps with winny pip.
My objective is to pack on as much mass as possible in 12-15 weeks but keep it from being sloppy
Then this is not the perfect cycle for your goal brother... i suggest you employ the cycle we discussed previously in PM ... that will give more bulk but yet still solid.
Anoni agree...
I appreciate your input Viking, as always. Thanks
zewiI agree with Viking. That Test E/EQ/TREN will jack you up solid mass. No if end butts about that.
I'm in total agreement. My logic was to give the tren a rest for a while. I ALWAYS run tren and prop. I always make great gains from it. I can live without the fatigue issues but the gains are great. I don't know if it's my genetics or my compound choices but I almost never make sloppy gains. I wanted to give Deca a go without getting sloppy. I guess that's not possible even with Mast incorporated
Good luck with the new run man! i am with you all the way ok.
You're the man VIKING!
WOW thanks bro :0
Agree with Tread on doing test/eq for cleaner results. Can low doses of npp be added just for joints?
I could try that. I used NPP at the beginning of my last run. Ran it 5 weeks before I switched to tren a. It was an excellent compound. I was looking to runong esters however. Primo was suggested by others in place of Mast but the idea behind usin the mast Is for its anti-e effects and keeping Deca Bloat down.
when i jumped into this ebc it was after elbow break so npp was suggested if any pain comes up. Though maybe it would give a lil lube for ya. the masteron ive used before and it chisled my normally soft belly. It did remove extra water and I liked it. Deca makes your injections easier for sure but takes a couple weeks to help.
tread-mHmmm, maybe even consider a test/EQ run here and if you are cruising after as was suggested below you could even pull in a little provi in or after on the dht thoughts. That in conjunction with great diet,your natural lean tendencies and the hgh cruise dose I think you achieve. Thinking more towards gains here for you but just an additional thought to go with the others.
I am it cruising. I've been totally off. No pct either. I mentioned pro test because that's the test I'll be using. I posted it in the wrong spot. It should have been a reply to power-house. Do you think I'll make the same size gains on EQ as I would Deca? It's almost as if I'm starting over bro. And what about adding the mast? You no likey? Just a test /EQ? I'm open to any ideas here.
Pro-test. It's a blend by ARL russia. Has Prop, iscroprate, enanthate, decanoate
so you are going to run the prop pct on this cycle ? that will be a good cycle with the right diet you should be up to 190 soon..
So you believe the combination of Deca/Mast is a good move? Some have suggested primo in the place of Mast. Mast has anti-e properties that I like the sound of
ee. i dont know man looking at your body fat you might have better results with the primo.. many decisions my friend.. the primo works better on a cal restricted diet tho, so how many cal you going to be eating aday? you might not gain as much with the primo as you would the mast?
My appetite has been crap lately. I'm getting a little better. Been force feeding. The goal is 5,000/day. I hit it maybe twice a week. I'm getting at least 4,000 a day.