ED, On TRT, Worse As Time Goes
Hey everybody!
I hope this message finds everybody doing well during this crazy time of Covid.
I made a small introduction in the past and now I have hit a pretty significant road block. I've watched all of Cutler's youtube videos, but I can't find anything that directly addresses my issue!
I am a TRT user, that blasts maybe once a year and it is nothing to crazy. I believe less is more. But here is my main issue at hand.
I have been on TRT since 28 years of age. I am now 32 years old. Over the course of the past 2 years, I have noticed my sex drive is down, From 30-32 I noticed it get worse and worse as time progressed. Now, I have erectile dysfunction.
Being a small business owner, I was going to somebody local for my TRT, as I can't afford a doctor and some of these doctors want upward of $400/ month for consultation visits, and I just don't have that type of money. My local source really fucked me over (in a good way?). All of his gear was actually WAY overdosed. Like not even remotely close to 250mg/ CC. So for all of 2019 I was pretty much on a small steroid cycle without knowing it. Being in the events industry, we just became hammered with work and I never had a chance to get my bloodwork done, but long story short my test levels from labcorp were as followed >
Testosterone,Free and Total
Testosterone, Serum
1500
Free Testosterone(Direct)
34.3HIGH
Reference Range: 8.7-25.1 pg/mL
Estradiol
Estradiol
42.7HIGH
Reference Range: 7.6-42.6 pg/mL
I was taking .5 arimidex every week with my shot thinking it was enough for a TRT dose, but come to find out, I was actually TRT using way over 200mg/ week (obvoiusly by those results). I'm really mad at my prior source and I am wondering just how permanent of damage this has caused?
So I called Titan Medical to help me come off everything and to clear my system. I donated blood to get my RBC within normal ranges and they prescribed me HCG. I shot HCG at 350iu everyday for 30 days straight. During this time frame, I never lost my strength, I never had any Low T symptoms, and I even had a pretty strong sex drive and erections.
After clearing my system, I've gone to an eroid source as my source. I purchased (5) vials of testosterone and aromasin. I have started my regiment up again at .7/cc every Friday night and one tab of aromasin.
I can feel my sex drive is there, but I have erectile dysfunction and it's pretty bad. My wife was able to "get it up" but it was weak like a 3/4th chub.
Has anybody here dealt with this and if a doctor is needed, I'll throw down the money, but this is pretty scary.
(At the end of my 30 day cycle HCG CYCLE IN FEBRUARY 2020 . I was a little impressed after being on trt for 4 years)
Testosterone,Free and Total
Testosterone, Serum
599NORMAL
Reference Range: 264-916 ng/d
Free Testosterone(Direct)
13.3NORMAL
Reference Range: 8.7-25.1 pg/mL
Estradiol
23.7NORMAL
Any guidance would be much appreciated and if anybody else has fought this, please lend me some advice/suggestions. I strongly do not feel it is my source on eroids, as I actually believe everything is as labeled. I won't know about the Aromasin until I get bloods (I'm 4 weeks in). However, after 4 weeks of the US Source here, I feel good and strong. However, my appetite has dipped and I don't feel overly hungry.
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If you want a low cost sex drive booster and it will also reduce your estradiol a bit and free up more testosterone, try using provigil. I use 25mg a day on my TRT and it made a night and day difference with sex drive.
But as always, if you get advice from the forum and make changes, be sure to get blood test results. Everyone adapts to things differently.
I would add in HCG all the time to your trt. I’m on self TRT at 100mg weekly for abt 2 years and recently added in hcg all the time (for sex drive reasons) and have noticed a huge difference in my sex drive. Like wanting to get off 2-3 times a day difference. Low serum testosterone in your testes can kill your sex drive even if your on 1000mg of test. It has done wonders for me and I’m actually starting to see an increase of testes size after years of atrophy. I dose 1000iu 3x weekly for first 2 months and now 500 iu 3x weekly.
I've heard long term use of HCG & eventually you get desensitized! According to some Docs
Yeah I have seen mention of it a few time but not any data that actually shows it gets less effective. However hcg added Into TRT is relatively new so not very many long term studies have been done. I am cycling in 3 month intervals to try to avoid this.
They are no longer manufacturing HCG from my understanding (Titan just sent a huge email blast about it.) You hit on a subject as well, that I didn’t mention. Ive noticed my sperm volume has become less and less and less thus my sex drive has also been less and less...
I do wonder if this has anything to do with it.
Yes that all has to do with low serum t levels in the testes. It has made a huge improvement on sex drive and sperm volume. As far as manufacturing goes maybe one source may stop manufacturing but there are multiple options on that front
RustyhookerBingo! ^^^^
There are many factors for an erection to be perfect. How is your blood pressure? High blood pressure can kill erections by destroying blood vessels that help get an erection. I would get some Viagra and Cialis and see if either of those help.
I've never used it and at 32 I'm scared to death to start having to get addicted or relying on it. But if I must, I must.
[faceplant],........... what the fuck.$^^"$^;^&&$#'%;^$
I think you're on the wrong website.
You have got to be the world's biggest asshole. It's amazing you're ass hasn't been absolutely pummeled in real life. However, I can almost guarantee you don't act this outlandish in real life though. Nobody would tolerate you. Even if I'm ignorant to any drug/medication and the level of addiction that can come with, doesn't give you any right to act like an immature prick.
People come here to help share, guide/educate, and build others up with questions and experiences that some of us have. You need to get a grip. I came here humbly asking for some guidance and you have been nothing but a 5 year old.
RustyhookerYa...i negged you.
Thanks for the -1, just say the word if you want to get into a pussy negging contest.
AnonKmc is like 70...and has probably used 30lbs of Cialis. So I'd take his advice.
Ok not really advice...but you get it...
You need thicker skin my man! You'll get flamed for anything you post by at least 1 person.
It IS a steroid source review forum.. people here do steroids.. allegedly. The amount of assholes here is equally matched, possibly out numbered, by the amount of helpful people.
I play both sides..
Wait..
You get it...no homo?
Well played.
RustyhookerHe just wanted a cosign. Funny thing is his name on here is a defunct source...
Without even reading your post.
You have been overdosing (cycling) on testosterone and calling it TRT even though no doctor was involved. Now your dick doesn't work.
Think of it as birth control (keeps you from reproducing), and for mankind, that is a good thing.
If you want to PM me for what the problem is go ahead.
Oh wait, ...... you're not on my friends list.
Rustyhooker.#I shot HCG at 350iu everyday for 30 days straight. During this time frame, I never lost my strength, I never had any Low T symptoms, and I even had a pretty strong sex drive and erections.
Thats a massive dosing protochol!!
Then you go back to trt. And wonder why your ed is kicked in? You fried your system dude. No clue why any quack gave you that. Full cycle alleged trt to wtf hcg blast back to trt.
Privatemdlabs ...done...
Get on a normal schedule a few months. And punch whomever gave you all the bogus info...in the dick. Sounds more like you did this to yourself. So ride it out!
Prior to going all in on my business, I was medically prescribed TRT for 2 years. I was dosing at 200mg/ week. However, I lost my insurance and couldn't afford the doctor anymore. It was $400/ month + meds. So I did what I had to do and just "continue the course" of what I was being prescribed. Well, I had no clue the source I had gotten my testosterone from (which has an AMAZING reputation locally) had sold me some really overdosed batch.
As for the HCG, that was prescribed by CENSORED at an 11,000/iu Kit. After the mix, it breakd down to 350iu/ day - from which they said, wasn't really all that much. They stated they have had to double that in some cases to get people's system working again.
I did get into it with who sold me those goods. I did do this to myself, but I'm also here relying on the community to help me, rather than badger me (not saying you are, but there are some posts here that I'm not going to respond to).
RustyhookerMy dick works great!!!
Hows that Badger working out for you? Thats all you got outta what i posted? Then good! Cant fix stupid proof enough
which has an AMAZING reputation locally) had sold me some really overdosed batch
So youre here for sales.....then apply to be a source
I said you weren't badgering me. But a post above did. I have also wondered about what you said if I had "fried my system." But I'll just be seeking medical help after all this covid passes over. Thanks though!
I am not a source. I have no idea how you got that I would be here to sell and be a vendor. No thank you on that.
RustyhookerGet on a normal schedule a few months.
Thats my out put on this.
Privatemdlabs female hormone panel...69bucks.
Add in prolactin just to see where thats at as well.
You went full tilt and trt doesnt mean immediate recovery. Its still a cycle. Most guys are NOT running 200mg a week....thats a cycle. Get your test back down around 600. The levels should normalize.
Post in pictures a test thats current...like one done this week or within a week. Black out your name addy...be safe
From my understanding. When you get on trt and your dick doesn’t work. You might have actually pierced your ass cheek or there’s a hole somewhere in your body. Making the seal of your body not make enough pressure. Also from normal semen Production without steroids your body builds up pressure. With oil and alcohol which are solvents. It actually does the opposite and cleans the tubes out so there would be no pressure at all. It’s like lubrication. So if you have less testosterone oil. You’d have more friction within your body.
Tf did I just read smh
What? Lmao
Make 0 sense lol
Please stop
That’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever read on this site. -2
Funny thing is guys probably serious.
Some of these dudes worry themselves to death.
Sometimes you feel like a nut, sometimes you don’t...
There’s a Pandemic going on, gyms are closed and he’s worried he can’t get it up..
RustyhookerYou want a troll tag?
My chihuahua shits bigger than you
Age: 29
Height: 5’10
Weight: 160
BF:
AnonYou have a Chihuahua, Rusty?
RustyhookerNot any more. :( lol.
We got one just turned 15. Little dog big personality.
Have you donated blood yet? If not do it stat. Your rbc’s and crit were both just over reference.
Tbone got you some good advice below. My personal opinion is that proper trt should not involve any AI except for extremely rare individuals who produce BUCKETS of estrogen naturally. If you’re one of these guys you’ll know.
Hcg will increase estrogen as well, I’m a little surprised yours wasn’t higher after your little hcg blast.
If you haven’t already, cut out all porn for a while. Check environmental factors, sleep, diet, stress.
Consider dosing test more frequently. I don’t like once a week shots. Try a Monday/thurs split. Also try M/W/F. A slin pin makes microdosing much easier. Naturally we spike every morning. Now you’re spiking once a week.
It makes perfect sense that you’re experiencing problems bro. You were on a prolonged blast of who knows how much test and now your body is getting used to less androgens. Give it time. I know it’s hard (or not, haha) right now but what comes up must come down. Guys have this to a much greater degree coming off tren, just be glad you aren’t riding that rollercoaster.
I did donate once already. I was told i couldn't donate again for another 30 days. I was going to now, but this damn Covid thing is going around now. I have debated just taking a syringe to my right arm and letting it drain out, but I've already done enough damage to my body.
A post above badgered me pretty hard and I get it, I tried to self prescribe and this is the consequence. From her on out, I'll just have to get my bloods down every 60 days or so, to make sure everything is good. Just my business took my life over with travel and I literally had no time at all to go get checked until one day I woke up and said "I don't feel right." Well, when your blood is as thick as mud, that might do it.
As long as the donation was after and not before those labs were done you’ll be fine for a few months, one is all that’s needed usually and you were only just out of range.
Yeah the guys on here will bust your balls. It’s for your own good. My first pic up here rusty said I looked like a fat fuck with gyno lol. Guess what? I was a fat fuck with gyno. I needed to hear that to get my shit together. Never take it personally and you’ll learn a lot here.
After my HCG & blood donation, they made me get my bloods again and my RBC/WBC -
WBC
6.1NORMAL
Reference Range: 3.4-10.8 x10E3/uL
RBC
5.85HIGH
Reference Range: 4.14-5.80 x10E6/uL
They did say I needed to donate again, but they did ask me to wait 30 days.
AnonAre you taking 25 mg of aromasin a week?
Small changes in hormones can cause Ed issues as well. How's your blood pressure?
Test it a few times a day and hydrate. Sounds mental mixed with fluctuating hormones.
Dosing at .7cc/ every friday (175mg of test). I figured I'd just pop 12.5mg aromasin to keep it in check. So that is currently all I'm running as 175mg of test should aromatize all that heavily (but maybe I'm wrong?). If you feel upping to 25mg a week ( a friday/tuesday rotation) would be beneficial here with only 175mg of test, I'd definitely be open to attempting that.
I haven't checked my blood pressure in awhile actually. I'll check here soon after all this quarantine stuff goes away!
AnonOh actually I was thinking drop the Asin all together... You felt better with it higher end of normal, so why not let it return. Some people feel better with more, some people are fine while crashing it on purpose for a competition to dry out. I love the feeling of 50-60 e2 during a bulk personally.
Until you can return to a doctor, or Endo preferably, I'd drop the aromasin for a few weeks and re assess how you feel.
We definitely don't recommend self prescribing trt here, but a lot of people are stuck without medical care at the moment. I'd advise you to minimize the amount of drugs you put in your body, 150-175mg a week max for now, drop the AI for 3 weeks. Find a way to monitor your BP at home and make sure your diet is healthy. Drink water too, so many people dont drink enough...BP monitors are cheap on Amazon, I have one. 30$ I think?
Right on! That is the route I was actually thinking. I'm not really running enough of anything to truly need it. I also have arimidex here at the house (1mg tabs). If needed, I could just break those in half as from my understanding, Adex is a little less harsh. but I can and will drop the AI all together to see if it helps with my ED. Again, I feel fine, outside of the ED!
AnonAromasin is easier on your body than arimidex, but I've found arimidex easier to dose while a beginner. If you use any AI at all, based on your previous blood tests, I'd say use .25 adex on the pin day.
This is a technique used in some trt protocols, the dosing is specific to the individual however.
You don't appear to aromatize heavily so I'd keep it minimal or none at all. Your weak 3/4 chub as you so eloquently described seems indicative of lower E2.
Provided you're ok with playing a guessing game without blood tests available, that's what I would assume is contributing to the weak wood.
There's more testing and factors to contribute, but dropping the AI seems like a safe bet.
Ideally you should go see an Endo, because you are suffering symptoms associated with self prescribed trt. Which is bad, mmkay.
28 and on trt is a shitty blow my man. Just make the best of it and get all the help you can when the doctor offices open back up.
TronGoddamn you Tbone I've got to give you a couple karma points for that solid advice and information that you just let leak out of that giant ass noggin of yours...Yeah. you got all that information stored up there in that giant cylinder block you have for a head you son of a bitch....This is me and you right now..
AnonBeen gone too long!
But it's more like this...
Right on. I won't take anymore aromasin or any AI for 3-4 weeks and see how it goes. I was actually wondering if that may have been the issue as well. Thanks for helping a guy out my man!
TronThe best part about this post was this..
HA...thank you for that.
Now all jokes aside ... sometimes It's not the gears fault or the estrogen.. or any of that.. sometimes it can be a mental thing.. You said you're having erectile problems as well as appetite issues. It COULD be a mental thing..Maybe...maybe not. I know that's not the answer you're looking for but It's something to throw into the equation.. AND .... you are getting older. A lot of times we start to blame the gear for all of our issues and sometimes it's just US...When you get the bloods back you should have you're answers..If everything looks good and normal then my friend you may have a mental issue with these physical problems.
I have wondered the same. My last year was excessively stressful. I will say my diet could be better as my LDL/HDL over the last year of traveling was also very poor or atleast very poor in my taste. Definitely not blaming the gear and think it is a more of a "ME!" thing, which is why I said - I'm very certain the source I have here is good to go. Wish I could list the source here, because after being on TRT for 6 years, I know the symptoms of Low T would hit me like a FREIGHT TRAIN and I have experience none of them during the transition.
I think blood work may be the only solution here. Is there anything I need to ask for specifically that could lead to my ED? Again, my sex drive is "mentally" there. Nothing worse than looking at your wife wanting to tear into it and can't or worse... attempting.
You seem like an honest person, good to meet you as well!
Here is my blood work AFTER my HCG. I have not been back since I knew I had "recovered" or at minimum "cleaned out"
CBC With Differential/Platelet
WBC
6.1NORMAL
Reference Range: 3.4-10.8 x10E3/uL
RBC
5.85HIGH
Reference Range: 4.14-5.80 x10E6/uL
Hemoglobin
17.7NORMAL
Reference Range: 13.0-17.7 g/dL
Hematocrit
52.0HIGH
Reference Range: 37.5-51.0 %
Creatinine
1.28HIGH
Reference Range: 0.76-1.27 mg/dL
Calcium
10.6HIGH
Could any of this be a "precursor" to the ED? I do know thick blood can be an issue.
Remove the source name and reread the rules.
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Sorry, it's been awhile since my last post. I apologize and fixing it now!
TronSam took two.. I just gave you two back for responding respectfully and fixing the problem immediately. But read the damn rules.
Thank you sir. It was an honest mistake. Always find good people here.