General thickening
Wasn't sure where to post this, so I felt off topic was best. This is something maybe some of you gurus can help me with. I'd call it TRT, but we all know that 200mg weekly isn't that. But the doc is maxing me out, and frankly as long as the bloods keep coming back good, I feel well, and no more wiener issues I'm running with it. I started in my 40s so if it gives me issues in 30 years I'll be 75, I'm good with that. I'm glad I didn't start young. Anyway,my question is, aside from getting in great shape and feeling amazing, I'm noticing thickening. Kind of hard to describe, but just a more solid core. Values for my organs are good, it's not far, I am running deca so yeah, water is there. I have moonhead or whatever it's called. But flexing the obliques are very hard, some striation I've never ever seen. But relaxed noticably thicker than before I started this. Is it just general growth to be expected as I'm constantly using my core? Sorry for the drawn out post, but this is all new to me.
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AnonAre you doing oblique twists with a heavy plate? The reason I ask is because if you overbuild obliques then that happens and takes away from the V-taper build many of us want to have. Good defined obliques are great for framing up the abs. For oblique twists I like low weight and high reps (10lb plate, 20 to 40 reps, 3 sets). With situps I never do weighted situps because I want to avoid building a big knot of upper ab muscles thus taking away from chest size and lower ab definition. I do more leg raises and scissors kicks than situps. I also rarely daedlift and not much when I do because I've have a lower back injury.
It's moonface btw, dbol makes my face a bit puffy but I'm a skinny hard guy so I sport it well, I look downright handsome with a little bit of moonface.
Molinin302Thanks guys, I appreciate the comments and the PMs, gotta dial in the macros and growth will affect the general trunk. I was honestly at unease, but knowing is comforting. I will continue to flex my sides as it's new muscle I can see, touch, and feel. Best wishes everyone and thanks. (First time in my life at 44yo where I'm flexing tissue that was never really noticable. These are good times)
Where do you get these healthy 30 year estimation of steroid abuse? I started in my early 20’s so does that mean I’m fucked when I’m 50 by your estimations?
Yeah bro it was nice knowing ya yet fecked
I’m still lifting, eating and screwing.
I started earlier than you. You’ll be ok.
My prediction is you’ll be twice your size
easily.
Molinin302I hope not, the wife hates it lol. I usually wear long sleeves around the house. Long story short I was same height about 175 when we met. 8yrs ago with divorce issues, but she still walks by my side. And I've come to accept her issues as well. Thanks for the response big guy.
Most women don’t like the way bodybuilders look.
They just tell us that to make us think we’re special...
Women are shady like that.
Molinin302Dude, trust me, my wife is hot. And has skills. But there's issues I made public before when I was green, won't do that again. Let's just say we've come to an agreement. That's what's it's all about anyway right? (Did I mention her head game lol)
I’ve found the best way to deal with women is to always agree with them and then do whatever your going to do any way.
I also constantly buy my wife stuff.
Example- why do you have to work out on Christmas Day ?
Response- Big sales tomorrow, here’s the credit card before I forget. Just be sure to leave my food please. Have fun!
I’ve found you can’t put a price on peace of mind.
Molinin302Truth, 8 years deep with her and she honestly saved my life. Almost lost it during Dr prescribed benzodiazipine withdrawal. Got my mom on the phone, cops, EMS, it sucked, but I'm still here. And she does that pantyhose foot thing I like. Good woman lol.
The 3 important things in life! If I’ve got half your size when I’m your age (78) I’ll be happy brother ;) pm sent
You can have even more. The key with an older body builder I’m discovering is strange angles and weak point training.
As an example on bicep day I’ve been doing reverse preachers supersetted with regular preachers, then pin wheels and finishing with concentration curls.
My reasoning is I’ve neglected the brachialis muscle. I’m getting results.
Molinin302I had to ask for a spot on 90s, bench has never been kind to me and I rarely touch straight bars these days. Had some shoulder issues, again long story short. An old head almost cussed me out for flat bench presses. He clicked it up one notch, barely elevated. Guess what? Shoulder relief. And he wasn't a big guy, just had some years on him. Listen to the elders right?
Depends on the situation. Try the Lee Haney method. Start with flys, dips, cable crossovers and then bench.
You’ll feel dumb the weights so light but your muscle woulnt know the difference. You’ll put less strain on the joint though.
Pre exhaustion. Lee’s not crippled like a lot of them.
Molinin302Point taken, there's an ass at my gym, last week he wanted to throw the 105s, he told his guy to make sure he got the numbers on the plates clear. He grunted at the top of his lungs. Embarrassing. Guy next bench just to be funny repped the 105s for 8 no prob. Other guy didn't complete a legit rep. Look man, I don't judge, I do me, but some of the shit I see is just hysterical. Thread time.
Reminds me of the time some goon asked me to spot him 315 on flat. His form was horrible, I had more of a workout spotting him then he got out of it. Then he jumped up and said. HEY you didnt help much right ???? I said noooo ALL YOU BUG GUY LOL
Molinin302Crazy isn't it? You added a few upright rows to your workout that day lol. The most entertaining piece of equipment has to be the cables though, I see some seriously weird shit on that. But I'll give them points for creativity.
Have you tried hex presses (keeping the dumbbells together and squeezing your chest muscles as hard as possible to keep them that way while pressing)? Both my labrums are torn and the slight incline plus having to lower the weight seems to really help avoid joint pain.
Molinin302Bro, I've been lifting since my mom signed the waiver for me to be alone in the weight room at the YMCA when I was 14. I'm 44. And I'm still learning. I'm taking every bit of advice I can including yours to keep doing what I do. Thanks man.
Good topic first off. Second man I love how humble you are in your post.
Also Sam I Am is making me laugh with his comments lol
Molinin302I get that number from the common (misconception) number publicised and generally accepted by the unknowledgeable that steroid abuse in your 20's equals a heart attack by 50. We know better, but many physicians blindly go by this rule of thumb as well.
Damn, I should have died years ago.
Still lifting, eating and screwing I’m afraid..
Where did I go wrong?
I mean there’s use and then abuse right?
Molinin302Absolutely, I will agree with you on that. There's also physiological presentations of abuse, these can be further broken down into physical or mental dependance. Withdrawal symptoms will present very similar, but protocol calls for understanding of the mechanism of action. Look dude, I'm doing well, another tough week at work. It's a simple question of a physical change I'm experiencing that I'm unfamiliar and uneducated in. If you have questions instead of answers, honestly, go fuck off. (If I'm not mistaken for those of you in Europe that's a polite way of saying it.) Simple question of the thickening of my core.
RustyhookerIf you have questions instead of answers, honestly, go fuck off
You mad bro? Lol!
I’m British mate. We are firm believers in good manners.
To answer your question, you’ve got a high bodyfat level (we’ve all been there..) so it’s probably just some more fat accumulating around your stomach. Keep it sucked in at all times and you’ll be fine.
Molinin302Appreciate it bro, it's like I have GH gut but never ran it. Im not OCD, but analytical. When things change I notice. Thanks for the advice.
Midsection has so many factors, genetics being a big one. If you’re doing heavy squats or deads that will thicken your core. If you’re eating a bulking diet your waistline will probably expand. I’ll go as high as a 36 if I’m up around 260 but when I diet down to 215 it’s back to a 31/32.
Molinin302Yeah, it's just new to me man. I've been slender, I've been fat, but since using the medication, my body is changing in ways I wasn't expecting. As I said, mostly my core. It's like I have muscle where I never have before. I can flex an oblique. Never in my life before.
From what you said you on test and deca correct? Any gh or peps?
Molinin302No, I've thought about getting about going outside of my comfort zone, but I'm not ready yet. I'm still sticking to the stuff that's been around for 60 years.
So your on deca and test thats it
Molinin302Yes, ran Dbol in the beginning, bit it turned out to be junk. Just those two medications.
Sounds like just genetics to me any exercise that stimulates core stability which is most free weight lifts and some machines can cause it. I would start working on vacuums and stomach control...if your eating larger meals maybe break then into smaller more frequent ones eating a lot which is what you need to grow but it can cause stomach growth
Molinin302Thanks man, may have nailed that one. Although I've gotten it to where it's very very clean, it's still a lot in 3-4 meals. I'll ramp it up to 6 divided. Diet has been my hardest obstacle in this journey.
RustyhookerYour last post said youre on cycle right now as you just started
This says youre not on cycle. Which is correct?
Molinin302On, finishing up. You know this as we've chatted before. Don't take this as anything other, because I do value and respect your answer, but do you have an answer or advice for my question? It'd be appreciated.
RustyhookerMy answer would be different to someone on cycle. So yes, it was pertinent. Are you always so paranoid?
Molinin302I'm towards the end of my cycle. It's been 500mg cyp, 250mg deca. I was running bunk Dbol, and although not the wisest thing to do, I'm going to finish with a couple weeks of it as my last physician visit was favorable and daily BP checks are great. Urine is healthy in both color and productivity. 6'2", floating between 230-235, I don't have calipers, but arms, thighs, chest are all tight, water in midsection where it always presents. Averaged out I'd say 15%. All injuries healed.
Edit-typical TRT clinic protocol of anastrozole and HCG
Rustyhooker: towards the end of my cycle
If youre hitting good carbs plus the gear itself, your cells are full. Loaded basically. Plus the newly added muscle.
So from end....do a good proper pct and remember to keep food at your needed levels. Thff eres a forum...i finished my cycle, now what...thats a stickie and good read.
You might lose some thickness as water load decreases but thats expected. Fun times!