+ 6 Upside and Downside of being sensitive and gyno prone
I get gyno from just looking at a bottle of testosterone! Ive always been sensitive and gyno prone since day one of starting steroids. Unfortunetly the first five years i didnt know of forums and my circle of steroid friends we were all naive and rookies. That being said i now have some slight irreversible gyno (and no i dont money for surgery yet) but i keep current gyno under control with AI's and nolva. Upside of being so sentitive is having a built in AAS Potency Detector. Ive learned to tell the potency of testosterone from different labs from how long it takes to get sore, how intense, how much swelling. No need for lab test of the oil i just need to inject and wait. I have taken testosterone from labs and if i need 40mg/day of nolva its fire, 20mg of nolva its good, if no pain no swelling i wont buy again. Anyone have similar sensitivity or am i just one of the unlucky ones?
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Of those that have experience, if i want to remain on the letro at a low dose since only for gyno and i dont experience any other sides from e2, 2.5mg or 1.75mg weekly sound oike a good rate? And of course bloods will tell but i need a baseline because where i live i cant just walk into the grocery store and get bloodwork on demand. Seems like some countries you can but the States isnt like that. Just scheduling it is a pain let alone finding an order and insurance coverage. We have to remember that before we hop all over people with "you jackass go get bloodwork!" I know plenty of times i had to use other measures when i cant.
But, in fact, in the states it is just like that... (most of them) Look online for a private blood test usually costs $60 to $125 dollars depending on panel, lab, discounts, location. Below is a partial result from a google search, "getting private blood test"
https://www.privatemdlabs.com
https://www.labsmd.com
https://shop.personalabs.com
https://www.letsgetchecked.com
https://www.walkinlab.com/
You jackass, go get google.
You are right. I like using the walk in lab but the google quick labs are definetly a route to go. Ill admit when i put my foot in my mouth. In my state it sucks. Everything is banned here. I just meant i dont want to try couple weeks on one dose get test then do again and again, its harder some and easy for most. Sometimes advice will help before diving in and needing bloodwor. I will if i have to but i guess i was being lazy and wanted someone elses answer. The jackass comment was meant for a specific person not the general person given sound advice. It was for that one person that dont know the answer or have right advice and will reply rudely and bully with offensive replies. No offense intended. Your not one of the 2 people on here that look for people to yell and swear at instead of just offering what you know. Ive taken a lot of unwarranted verbal abuse (racial attacks, shoot my first pic i was bullied by jackasses saying i posted someone else because my skin was lighter in the lighting) but GOD IS GOOD and i wait for the good advice by good people like you.
Im super sensitive to gyno and also I have a small gyno from puberty, it disappears or goes down so that you can’t notice anything while on cycle and using AI
I imagine the neg was an accident. I also am very sensitive to test, I can totally relate to what you are saying. At 200mg per week my body is totally cool with it, no need for any AI's. Beyond that my nipples let me know real quick.
I never knew before i got on this site how people are supersensitive. It was never talked about in the past and of course you dont see it in the celeb world. I thought i was doing something wrong but like you anything over 200 im flaring up
Pre load your nolvadex 2-3 weeks before you start your test, run it throughout and after in your p.c.t.
Example- testosterone e- weeks- 1-12 500mg a week.
- nolvadex- starts 2 weeks before first test pin @ 10mgs a day.
It continues throughout entire cycle adjusting the dose as needed suited to your bodies requirements.
Continue through out your p.c.t at normal post cycle serm dosing as required by your indvidual needs.
- aromasin- start week 5 @ 6.25 every day
Can run that a week into p.c.t.
Clomid- dosed as required in you p.c.t.
If you run 4 weeks of clomid in pct, run your nolvadex a week longer after cessation of clomid.
Get bloods and keep yourself healthy in every way.
Adjust things as you go according to bloods and self checking regulary.
If you feel sensitivity either adjust nolva and aromasin or dont cycle if you cant control gyno.
Good luck.
Haha someone gave me a thumbsdown but didnt speak on the reason why. His chick must have left him for someone with mega gyno lol
PcushionBrother I love your posts. All positive god gave you a gift to take anything negative and flip it around positive in a second! Don’t ever change!
Thank you P. Ill take contructive criticism no problem i just hate when they click and run. This is a learning place. Im all positive now. I spent 20+ years under the chains of addiction and in and out of jail until my chains were broken. Clinically dead 3 times from overdoses, but Jesus' plan was greater than mine.
Plus 1 for being a great bro and losing a point to some dumb fuck!
Had both my glands removed (not completely can’t take them out completely) and I still get paranoid about gyno. Took me a few years to save up for surgery but it’s worth every penny, complete game changer. My wife took care of me after surgery for a few days, some say recovery isn’t too bad, I was sore as fuck for a solid 4-5 days not 1-2. To this day I can’t feel much on the right side of my chest (around the nipple) and it does mess with me on cycle from time to time (weird numbness mind shit) but man I hope you can get the surgery done because it’s fucking awesome running a cycle n not dealing with flare ups constantly
With that said, you seem to be dealing with it best you can awesome stuff man +2
Thank you for the info. I need to hear more surgery stories like yours to give me that drive to save up and do it
PcushionHave you tried letrozole. Your going to feel like crap bc your estrogen is bottomed out but I have seen it do some pretty crazy things.
Ok so i started the 2 week schedule of taper up from .6 to 2.5 then stay on for few days then taper down and follow up on nolvadex. Im on day 3 so ill let you know when its over it it worked.
Day 1: .62mg Letro + nolva
Day 2: .62mg Letro
Day 3: 1.25mg Letro
Day 4: 1.25mg Letro
Day 5: 2.5mg Letro
Day 6: 2.5mg Letro
STAY THIS DOSE 4-7 DAYS
Day 1: 2.5mg
Day 2: 1.25mg
Day 3: .62mg
Day 4: .62mg follow up with nolvadex
PcushionSounds good man keep me posted. I haven’t seen it down that way so I am curious as to the end result.
I know there are a millions opinions that this is wrong and a million thats its right but its my body and i can only answer that when its done. The permanent lump ive had for years is already a little smaller. Im not expecting a miracle but i cant speak on it until i try it right?
PcushionAbsolutely brother. I just meant I haven’t seen the letro pyramid like that I have always seen guys go all in at 2.5mg ride it out for 4 weeks then overlap Nolva and letro on week number 4 to compensate for the rebound once the letro is stopped.
Oh i wasnt talking about what you said. Your cool. Im just ready for the the trolls that are going to rip up my schedule and do what they do best on how they "heard" about letro lol
So if i were to start letro, .625mg EOD to begin?
PcushionThe guys I know who used it just bit the bullet and ran 1.25-2.5mg a day. Like I said your going to bottom out your E2 but it’s cheaper than surgery and I practice what I preach I have seen this work in real life.
Letro is dangerous bro...people should google it and see what the medical purpose of it is before starting it...It does work for us but it demands respect! Lol
PcushionI am well aware of letrozole and it’s pros and cons. I have run it many times with documented blood work. It’s used to to treat certain types of breast cancer (such as hormone-receptor-positive breast cancer.) That’s what every AI and serm (other than Clomiphene) is made to do. Letro is just much stronger of an AI and you are right deserves major respect in this manner. If you wants facts Nolvadex is more dangerous due to its ability cause DVT/ PE especially in those with a genetic predisposition. In the case of the OP letro is going to be is only option besides surgery. I only recommended it bc I am confident he will be ultimately happier in the end. I give you a +1 for acknowledging the strength of the compound and four mention of it demanding respect. I am a firm believer is respecting the hormones and ancillaries we use. That’s why my cycles are low dosed compared to most.
Right on bro! And in no way did i mean any disrespect with my post...I love the knowledge you and my other bros bring to this forum thats why i believe this is the best site on the net...Hands down! Im also still learning every cycle and ill be the first to ask questions here if i need help...Keep hitting it my brother
PcushionWe are all good brother. I didn’t take anything for disrespect. It’s cool af to see someone mention how serious a compound is. People love to just throw these things around like they are candy. People like you raise awareness.
You mean people like US my brother!
I read in another forum here to get get rid of gyno with letro with like a 5 day taper up then taper down.
http://www.basskilleronline.com/gyno-prevention-reversal.shtml
PcushionYou need to follow up the letro with a serm or exemestane bc it does have a rebound effect and you don’t need that.
I have tons of dragon pharma nolvadex to follow up with
jayiskLetro is strong AF. Had some gyno back in the day from prohormones. Made the mistake of running it ed while on test/deca and tanked my estro.
but it got rid of the lump and never came back.
guess if its bad running ed to knock it out would be worth it. may want to try eod day or every 3rd day first.
but give it a try. of course bloods pre and post would be wise.
PcushionYeah man I have seen letro get rid of some pretty awful gyno on people. It’s gonna tank estrogen but that’s the point.
Im thinking .62mg eod since it comes in 2.5mg then work up from there.
PcushionIf your going to be running test your going to need to be vigilant on dose. Being as you aromatize so easily your letro dose is going to have to be high enough to overcome that. Just keep it in mind.
Got you. Start high and if start feeling like crap drop down
PcushionI would start with at lest 1.25mg a day. You aromatize extremely fast so your going to have to battle that if you choose to use test while trying this out. You can run some quality masteron and maybe lower the letro dose a bit.
Gyno is the only e2 negative side for me so really never got too crazy on AI treatment. I got friends that have sides like back loaded with acne like crazy to another that has insane panic attacks. So i take the trade for size and strength its not a bad swap.
PcushionWell I know guys that have successfully rid them selves of pre existing gyno by running masteron and letro. I am not a doctor nor claim to be but the mast shuts down natural test and letro will stop any other conversion. So your body becomes a pretty androgenic environment which doesn’t support gyno. It’s just a thought.
Not a bad thought. Thanks bro
PcushionGlad to help brainstorm brother
PcushionBrother I give this a +1 for taking something negative a turning that shit positive. I bet you don’t have many down days.
Thank you. I used to have down days all the time but since ive decided to Let GO and Let GOD all my worries are on a back burner.
PcushionYessir your spot on!
I got a group called "Romans 1:16 Unashamed" check it out
I'm sorry you're going through this. Fortunately I'm not gyro prone. but if your system works for you that's cool!
I personally don't see any upside, but to each their own. Hope you get your gyno under control.
Yeah not much pros to it but definetly a worth trade for size and strength. My only side is gyno, i know a kid who has severe anxiety attacks when his estrogen is high and doctors cant figure it out. Ill take sore and puffy nipples over that anyday lol
Quality mate you should coin that saying.
I’m the same, I’m a little more sensitive than your average gear user perhaps and I’m able to adjust my ai pretty well on how my nipples are feeling and if I get a pimple. I tend to have it on the higher side generally which is where I feel more comfortable. As soon as I feel a tingle in the nips, I up the ai very slightly or if I’m running high test I’ll add nolvadex. This is all anecdotal and members should always get bloods of course.
Definetly bloods should be done! That i will never disagree with.