Part 1: https://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/19-nor-prolactindeca-t...

Part 2: https://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/19-nor-prolactindeca-t...

19-nor Prolactin/Deca-Tren Dick versus Testosterone - Part 3: Experiment + results
For anyone interested in either the 19nors are wet/cause erectile dysfunction/raise prolactin debate. This is part 3, the experiment and results which prove the data gathered in part 2, but disprove the deca only theory.

Part 1 discussed the common interweb/broscience perception that 19nor's cause prolactin to rise.
Part 2 analysed much available scientific research and gave evidence that 19nor's do not directly increase prolactin. However on a testosterone+ 19nor cycle excess testosterone raises estrogen which in excess raises prolactin. However, more questions arose, such as the need for an experiment, specifically to show how an AAS using BB'er with supraphysiological levels of 19nor is affected from a prolactin perspective.

Experiment 1
Completely uncontrolled single self-case study.
Phase 1: Nandrolone Decanoate @ 1000mg to increase to 3000mg over subsequent phases
No estrogen control, no prolactin control.
Results:
Used 1000mg nandrolone as a starting point, due to the approx 5x TRT dose of test guesstimate for aromatisation. i.e. nandroone allegedly aromatises at ~20-25% the rate of test, therefore at 20%, a multiple of 5x TRT test dose, of nandrolone (5x200mg) could serve as a start point on a mg per mg basis.
week 1 - 5, greatly increased libido, increased strength, increased vascularity, from week 2 on increased size due to nutrient retention, erectile function phenomenal. Zero increases in BP, water retention, or cognitive issues.
Week 4-5, estrogen crashed, nandrolone did not aromatise at the rate needed to function. cognitive decline, sore joints in week 4, followed by depressive symptoms, ran completely dry, muscular soreness, joint pain etc. Notably, erectile function and libido still through the roof.
Experiment proves for subject that you cannot run a nandrolone only cycle, however if you do, erectile function is not affected when estrogen crashes.

Experiment 2
Phase 1: Nandrolone Decanoate @ 1000mg to increase to 3000mg over subsequent phases
TRT dose of test @ 200mg, lowering over time to settle at 150mg test, split 75mgx2 per week. HCG used to keep testes functional.
No estrogen control, no prolactin control.
Duration: PM me for details, suffice to say long enough to fully complete experiment across different doses.

Noteworthy... No so called wet sides, no BP issues, no cognitive issues. At times struggled to keep estrogen HIGH enough. Switched off test dose at one point and solely relied on HCG but estrogen crashed.
Bloods taken at end of experiment, showing prolactin very low.

Not quite as low as if you crashed prolactin with a DA, but on the deck. Discussed with doctor who feels that the pituitary is strongly suppressed due to duration of cycle. estrogen very low, test ok for full supply to create estrogens, prolactin very low and SHBG very low.
Erectile function perfect, libido perfect.
Results:
In the case of this case study:
Nandrolone does not increase prolactin.
Nandrolone of itself does not have wet sides.
Nandrolone of itself does not cause "deca dick" or any form of erectile dysfunction.
Low prolactin did not cause any form or erectile dysfunction.

Comparison:
When compared to a high test/19nor cycle, the results from a very low test 19nor cycle are completey opposing. As part of a high test cycle, estrogen increases and therefore prolactin creeps up too.
(will upload image soon of last high test high 19nor prolactin levels which were quite high to the point of inducing anorgasmia)

Conclusions:
We need to stop thinking in terms of single compounds and instead think in terms of multi-compound cycles, cascades of effects and not single actions, if we are to truly understand what we are talking about. In a high test cycle, testosterone displaced or in excess is the culprit of wet sides and sex hormone increases.