posted Tue, 11/13/2018 - 12:07
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+ 7 What’s your favorite Testosterone Ester or blend and why?
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Let’s chat about your favorite Test ester or test blend.. list it and why!! For the newbs feel free to ask questions and myself and other memebers will help..
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is it now that is interesting, here I was thinking I new my own mind, here I was thinking testosterone prop is the form of testosterone that most closely mimics your bodies natural testosterone , as result leading to less side effects, but hey you learn something new everyday.
this is an interesting read
https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/anabolic-steroids/test-is-not-t...
Long ester test result in more muscle, but also more sides.
short ester test results in less nitrogen retent and less estro convers, which also means less water retention If I understand correctly, but also less muscle building potential.
thank you for clearing that up Makwa, you are the man.
We’re talking about negligible differences in end result. Differences that probably wouldn’t even show up on a muscle biopsy, much less the mirror.
But why do I have to pick just one.
Correct - that's why they make blends.
I'm not just saying sust. I love some good prop test e c test base oil and water. I'll take all of the above.
X2 lol. .I don't understand the question.. I love them all
Agreed - it's kind of like asking : "What type of women do you prefer?" I can see value in all types of women..same with the Test esters.
Blonde or brunette it doesn't matter. But I do prefer blondes. Lol
I used to be the same...but have been with blondes, brunettes, redheads and am currently with a raven-haired beauty. A girl I dated years ago said to me: "I didn't think i was your type - I thought that you only liked blondes." I replied: "I can see some beauty in almost any woman." For me that's true.
All I need is a pulse.. 18-80 blind cripple or crazy
How about blind cripple and crazy. Lol
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That would be masterbation.
LMFAO
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A pulse?! You’ve got some high standards brother
Actually...I think I might know someone like that for you... ;-)
Exactly bro
Sustanon for sure! Followed by Test Aqueous. The Aqueous of course is a pain in the ass literally, but the results are there. In third place is Cypionate for a quick kick!
StevebWhatever cost the least
I quit drinking a few years ago, but I still hold to the fact that my two favorite beers are, cheap & free!
E for sure. No solvent issues, no pip issues, no yo yo estrogen levels. That being said I agree with so many below that I have special place in my heart for good old school suspension. Nothing will ever come close to power of those cloudy 30 ml bottles that were around back in the good old days
This is good question,not sure I could pick just one.
Testosterone Decanoate with either Cyp or Enanthate since I’m only home on weekends and can pin this once a week and stay level. I also think the two esters keep more stable levels. Decanoate is my preference now if it’s the only test I’m running.
Test E for sure easiest for me to keep stable levels and simple injection routine. I tried test suspension once and my estrogen levels were all over the place stuck to long estered test ever since
Test E out of necessity
Water based suspension is my true love
Test Cyp from my local pharmacy.
It’s so thick, no homo. I flip my script and use high grade UGL.
Yeah I used to do that a lot. But there’s only one UGL I trust blindly for trt and it’s a 500$ min;) Nowadays I make one or two big orders from him a year and make it last:)
nice
in days gone by it was (real) sust pinned ED. But I dont use test to build muscle anymore.
I use mid-ester, so E or Cyp. I run it as low as possible when on cycle with stronger anabolics to do the hard work. Mid esters peak at ~24 hrs, and have a nice delivery curve from 12hrs onwards. This makes them easy to use when maintaining a trt/sub trt dose of test to create enough test/estro/dht etc. to remain a man! It makes things predictable when walking a fine line at lowest possible healthy estro/prolactin/dht levels, and the mid esters delivery curve make any crash recovery very predictable and easy to manage. This is good for the body and the mind.
I have really found that I like running cycles with low test, basically trt levels so I don't need an ai. Feel way better doing it that way for some reason and makes estro/prolactin management a breeze. Ideally the way to go would be to pin a trt base of test u year round (on/off cycle) to keep things real stable and just add in the other compounds to do the heavy work.
This is exactly it. You have absolutely nailed it on the head Mak
This is journey I have been on for the past 2 years now. All the deca research and test research I did led to that practice.
We are all different and to each their own, etc. But with regard to sides and ancillaries, all with their own risk... this is a definitive way to maximally reduce them for a clean solid steroids cycle.
Now days I pinn Test Deconate.. I pin once a week and it keeps me real stable
When using test U I have found 1 shot EOW works good for me. I really do hate pinning every week so the test U helps with that.
Years ago I used it too, but a bit hard to find nowadays.
There you go, more or less the same as e and cyp. lovely stuff man.
Great topic
You ever mess with Decanoate? It has a much longer half life and is very superior imo and personal experience. If you’re trt have you looked at the Undecanoate ester? It’s pretty stellar for that, once a month shot 500-700mg.
well I always use decanoate for my nandrolone. love it. There is almost no difference between it's half life and cyp/e, they are all mid ester. Marginal difference between them. Havent used test with a deca ester, but the ester is the ester.
Im not TRT (yet anyway, I roll very low normal which leaves me functional but not right, when off-cycle, so wil be addressing that soon). Undec not for me, for that reason of course, but it looks sweet for TRT folks.
There is a substantial difference in half life times, Decanoate is 12-18 days and Enanthate is 5-7, Cyp is 6-8. I’ve tested the decanoate ester when I was in the lab and it was much better at keeping stable levels over time. Obviously everyone metabolizes a little different.
Pharmaco's are very well documented. You are mixing types of half lifes up, mrt etc, no?
They are well documented if you know where to look. I’m using the information provided by pharmaceutical companies that designed these products, I am not getting the half lives “mixed up”.
Apologies, I am actually mixing terms here myself!
Yep what you are doing re: enth/cyp is referring only to terminal half life (plasma as opposed to elimination or MRT etc.), i.e. plasma half life and only as measured for a single dose injection only. Pharmaco lit isn't always the best source, primarily because elimination (by this I am referring the return to close to base rate, where the delivery tends to hover for months on end) matters too, depending on what we are talking about...
Here is the rub; lets say for a steady state guesstimation on when to schedule an injection to maintain somewhat of a steady trough above baseline. T 1/2 is useful. ~4.5 days
However, let's say for your plan to come off cycle to prepare for test PCT... well elimination half life is important. ~10.5 days. We both know why on each one, I am sure.
So I think.... the issue is you are referring to plasma half life for enth/cyp but elimination and return to basal rate for the decano ester. This keeps happening across the interweb in general.
Now, can you show me a terminal plasma half life pharmaco rofile for decanoate specifying 12-18 days?
If I am wrong you will have an unreserved apology from me.
Right! I checked with the bible (Behre and Nieschlag), and they dont have sufficient comparative evidence to classify the testo decano ester half life. BUT, what I did have (had to dig it out) is the nandrolone comparative of various esters inc decano but also into various injection spots with various volumes (there are mild and very interesting differences). We are looking at a ~12 day half life for the decano ester but not 18.
If you have something on testo showing a decano half life of 18 I would love to see it, but I cannot see there being that big a difference across test/test derivatives. I mean thats an additional 50%. This said, depending on factors, not just metabolism but also site, carriers and so on.... hmmmm Id still want to see it.
So I half unreservedly apologize as 12 is about right!
Yes site can make a difference and carrier too. I think EO and MIG speed up absorption some too, but I don’t think there’s many new studies being done on our current trends yeah?
Do you links to the nandrolone studies? Not sure if I have those.
What the hell do you owe me an apology for??? Merely having different opinions? Not like you’re screaming at me to join your tribe while throwing spears.
I was quoting 12-18 from memory which tends to be faulty at best. I have tons of stuff on different devices, 2 computers at home, a phone and a tablet which I’ll try to check tonight. The other ones will be this weekend since that’s the only time I’m home anymore.
A lot of this research was done a bit ago and I’m of the opinion that the sample size needs to be bigger since individual metabolism varies so much. I spent a long time researching it all to determine what the best trt blend would be and I’ll share whatever I have with you.
I like our debates because you’re pretty smart and challenge my positions and I’m pretty sure we would be good friends if we crossed paths.
LOL
For saying I think you were getting something "mixed up"!!!
When I am wrong I like to admit it, think it is important, thats all really.
Re: research and debate....Likewise.
Oh I forgot to tell you, I tried something we spoke about some time back.
I will PM you later on it.
https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article/90/5/2624/2836761
My tablet didn't have any of the ester research saved but I found this one on the plane ride home last night, still have 2 computers to search but I have the week off now to do it.
50mg half life was 7.1 days, 100 and 150mg doses was about 12. Since there wasn't much difference between the 100 and 150 dose I'm comfortable saying approximately 12 days is the half life of the Decanoate ester.