posted Wed, 10/04/2017 - 12:40
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+ 8 MAGNESIUM AND LOWERING SHBG AFFINITY
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Here are some links to studies showing how crucially important Magnesium is to free test levels as well as iGF 1. Magnesium is also vital to many other functions as a quick search will reveal to those who are inclined to thirst for useful knowledge.
I'm mainly bringing this up because most people are woefully deficient in Magnesium. I personally take 650mg of Magnesium Citrate ED. Avoid the Oxide form. I feel that if you try supplementing with Magnesium you will improve your overall health as well as your muscles and strength and make better gains from your cycles and training.
https://www.hindawi.com/journals/ije/2014/525249/
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Area-1255For sure brother!
Magnesium always had a noticeable effect on me.
It helps lower ACTH/Cortisol too : https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6527092
ClassyChassisGood post brother. Thanks. It's also interesting how it acts as an antihypertensive by lowering aldosterone and reducing potassium loss through sweat.
Area-1255Right on! Yeah and it also helps stop stim crash symptoms and alleviate withdrawal related issues to stims. At least for me.
now that IS interesting
good post i regularly soak in epsom salts as opposed to using tabs though
ClassyChassisAh, the luxurious method...
lol yes and the absorption rate is better and easier on the system ... and I like bubbles hahah not to mention it helps with walking after training ;-)
Shhhhhhh..... I like the scented too & lots of candles:-)
your secret is safe with me !!!
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I wrote a post a long time ago about it but I think it was before i was a source so it's listed under anonymous...
I’ll do a search & see if I can find it
awesome ;-) with all the system issues i hope it wasn't deleted
Awesome post bro I'll have to put it in my favs
ClassyChassisRight on bro.
2nd study is interesting as it says zinc acts on test independently of shbg.
ClassyChassisYes, zinc deficiency is associated with low testosterone.
Thanks for the quote man
Ok so i read the study you quoted from. The interesting bit is actually just before the excerpt you listed. It discusses how/where zinc and other metals bind to shbg. The study seems to hypthesise zinc " might " reduce the binding affinity test has with shbg but references in vitro research rather than in vivo.
What it does not say, however, is that zinc lowers shbg.
ClassyChassisYeah, the title of my post was inaccurate. Neither magnesium or zinc lower SHBG. What they do is lower the ability of SHBG to act on testosterone, allowing increased levels of free test. For practical purposes it's the same result, but you're right. I've edited the title
Yeah its very interesting
That's what I gathered as well that the study was in vitro, however ZMA has been pushed by the supplement industry for years as a way to raise free test.Maybe the pathway is by decreasing the affinity to shbg.Interesting for sure.Magnesium has benefit even if it doesn't lower shbg.
yeah i am presuming that the take up of mag on binding aites will somehow slow shbg down
I played with zma on and off for fe see years and never noticed a difference. A test with bloods qould be a great way to get a figure on howuch of a bump can be achieved
You literally have the best name I think I told you this before. You Should put your avatar a piece of shit with like beers in it or any avatar at all
I'm working on an avatar that would be fitting.When I picked the name I was thinking that this iron game is man shit,I since have found that many women take the game very serious as well and some in here are very impressive.So I guess it's man and woman shit but the name is mine!
Good post brother. Magnesium is extremely important and anabolics and ancillaries deplete that mineral already. I know for a fact tren disrupts the mineral balance in the body if taken for long periods. Tren cramps can be easily fixed with it and magnesium is more of a long term solution to severe cramps even moreso than taurine, potassium, calcium. It actually regulates the balance of potassium and sodium in the cell membrane. I highly recommend magnesium when on cycle and I must say brother thank you for posting about magnesium because it is a very underated especially in the world of aas.
ClassyChassisAgreed brother. Very underrated.
How does it affect shbg? Sorry cannot read studies just at the moment...
ClassyChassisAn excerpt from one of the studies... basically adequate magnesium seems to displace T from the binding site.
@ClassyChassis
Sir, thank you for the post, very informative.
ClassyChassisYou're welcome sir.
So I've been taking the oxide form, 800 mgs a day split morning and night. You mentioned poor absorption, is it bad enough that I should switch? Or is the dose high enough to make up for that.
ClassyChassisOxide represents the cheapest form of the mineral to produce, so many manufacturers choose it instead of chelated forms. A 1990 study on magnesium oxide absorption, which was published in the “American Journal of Clinical Nutrition,” found that the intestines could not absorb oxide forms efficiently. I've seen as little as a 4% absorption rate stated. I can't recommend the Oxide form. As I said, I use the Citrate form, but here is some more info..
You're good to a point.You shouldn't be deficient.I personally would look for a product that has a mixture of magnesiums.Each type offers a different benefit.
How about ZMA? I read that the form of magnesium in ZMA is a chelate known as monomethionine/aspartate, which helps to minimize interference in the absorption. What do you think?
ClassyChassisZMA is a great supplement. I'm glad you mentioned it. Zinc is also very important. The 3 capsule dose of most brands is 450mg of Magnesium which is a good amount.
It keeps the pipes "moving" as well.
ClassyChassisYes it does. Lol. I have on rare occasion taken too much and had to visit the wc.
How much do you take daily?
ClassyChassisI take 650mg of citrate as a powder mixed in water. I believe the RDA of the FDA is around 450mg. But the RDA is basically the amount you need to avoid deficiency symptoms, not necessarily the optimum. I feel 650 is a better dose for larger men but 450 would be good also.
I started reading the 1st study but I just got out of work and my brain function is slipping. Cant handle serious thinking just yet. Im definitely going to but I wanted to ask have you personally felt any sort of change from supplementing with this? And what is the reason to avoid the oxide form? Thanks for sharing!
ClassyChassisThe things I notice from taking it are better sleep, more calm, less DOMS, less cramps, better recovery, higher libido whether on or off (probably due to decreased SHBG and more free test). It's said to increase immunity and I never get sick. Plus it works w calcium for stronger bones, teeth, ligaments. Also, as Manshit said, lower blood pressure, more efficient nervous system which equates to more strength.. It's estimated that 80% of the US population is deficient and I think a lot of health issues could be resolved by something as simple as getting sufficient magnesium... Oh, also better digestion and helps w regularity also.
Great info here as well as the post bro. +2 for both
ClassyChassisGlad you find it helpful brother.
The oxide form is not absorbed as well.I use a blend but not as high a dose of citrate because it will have you running to the bathroom.I think the one I use is called tri mag.Magnesium is a wonder supplement though.Benefits from lower blood pressure,to helping with nerve pain and arthritis as well as keeping you pipes moving.
Note: it can also help with the sides associated with tren.
ClassyChassisIt's true. It can definitely help w anxiety and insomnia.