+ 1 Bloodwork Feedback
Hi all. First and foremost, I'm going to just come right out and say it; I haven't been keeping up on my bloodwork. I've been cruising (self TRT) and blasting like a fool without monitoring myself close enough. There was a little self-loathing involved, too much stress, too busy with work and life, things distracting me, etc. but I'm done making excuses and want to get things back in line. So I finally went and got bloods done and intend to do so regularly from now on. I'd like to start with posting my results for feedback to help me start understanding better what's going on with my body. Currently, I'm blasting Sus at about 600mg/wk, NPP about 550mg/WK, with exemestane at 12.5 mg per day.
First the below are all slightly out of normal. I'm not sure if that's not that bad or still just bad, with the exception of the test.
RBC 5.89
Hemoglobin 17.8
Hematocrit 53.6
Creatinine, Serum 1.29
Chloride, Serum 96
Calcium, Serum 10.3
ALT (SGPT) 58
Testosterone, serum >1500 (Good)
LH and FSH <0.2
Estradiol <5.0
I have made an appointment to donate blood. I actually do monitor BP closely and it's been normal until just recently.
I had bloods done the morning after a solid workout, so that may explain the high creatinine(?). LH and FSH I'm assuming because I'm shut down, not running HCG right now. And Estradiol I'm not sure about. Maybe I'm using too much AI? I run exemestane at 12.5mg ED. How serious are my Choride and Calcium levels? I've read that those are regulated by the kidneys, Chloride is low, Calcium is high. So with those and creatinine, I'm a little worried about my kidneys, but BUN was normal.
Here are my complete bloods.
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I just got bloods after "Cruising" for 8 weeks. Everything is looking good and back to normal with the exception of LH and FSH, still low, Creatinine is a little higher (I failed to fast before getting this draw), and Estradiol is now high after cutting way back on the AI - will be working on dialing that in.
The one thing that is a surprise to me, is that I'm only doing 1cc of Test E per week, and my Test level is 1236! I'm feeling that's way too high for a "cruise"/TRT dose now. Will be cutting it back. I'd be happier if test came in around 700 while I'm chilin out, maxin, relaxing all cool.
Thanks for all the feedback you all gave me here. I'm definitely feeling better about my AAS use these days staying on top of bloodwork.
Testrogen_PropC...1236 is believeable to me for 1cc of test E 250. Considering 150mg a week is the typical TRT dose. Dropping it down to 150 a week should get you somewhere near 700
Right, my mistake for assuming UGL would be underdosed. I know better now. However, in your opinion, would there be any real issues with running 250 a week as a TRT dose? I mean it's not really therapeutic, obviously, but as long as blood work is normal (save for estro and FSH/LH), blood pressure normal, etc. is there any real difference in potential heath risks from a TRT dose to a little higher dose on the regular?
Listen to your body, but especially your instincts. We know that high testosterone can cause problems over the long run, and data doesn't lie. It says you're high in T, so pay attention! (However, when did you get your blood test? Two days after pinning? Seven days after pinning? That can make a difference, as you know.)
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Holy smokes, brother, I have NO CLUE if I got your post confused with another post or what. My apologies. Damn.
You're on a blast. You're asking about a "normal cruise." And I'm blabbering about blood test timing... yeah, for not being a post smoker, I was high apparently. Again, my apologies. Shit!
Lol no worries my man. All advice when asked for is good advice, because at the end of the day it's up to the receiver of said advice if it's the right advice for him anyway. So all appreciated.
It really is my intention to HELP men make SMART decisions. Of course, pulling my head out of my ass usually is the first step towards that goal... Cheers!
Testrogen_PropC...If you're 100 percent healthy you'd probably be fine. But there's still no way I could recommend it in good conscience. Hopefully I spelled that right.
Anywho yeah most of the bigger UGLs aren't underdosed at all. The one I use is actually quite a bit overdosed.
I'm in A similar situation. I have been running A TRT dose of 125mg A week for the past two years with A blast twice A year. I recently got blood work done and the doc told my blood was to thick so I figured I would go donate. I was denied because my iron was 59 so I guess I'm going to have to stop all together because self bleeding is not really an option for me.
If that is the case, your doc can write you a note to have a theraputic blood draw. You just won't be able to donate it to a bank.
This is what the phlebotomist told me as well. I'd honestly rather they just dump it rather than donate it, since I'm technically not "donating", i.e. it's more for me than someone else. That's a pretty selfish reason to "donate", so I'd rather it be dumped honestly. But you also have to pay for a theraputic draw, unless your doctor diagnoses you with hemochromatosis, in which they'll draw you for free, accoding to the phlebotomist, as if I should have been excited about that.
The most ludicrous thing the phlebotomist said to me after I asked what treatment I might need to bring my iron down, was a statement that more or less explained that 'in order to lower your iron you need to give blood, but since you need it, I can't do it'. The American medical industry is so fucked...
Yes my wife asked some questions after I left because she was there to donate too, and they said I could make an appointment to get A special draw. I guess I'll have to try that. Thanks.
You serum Ca is probably elevated due to increased bone resorption, because of insufficient estrogen. Long-term, this will weaken your bones .
Make sure you stay hydrated, and lower AI.
Interesting. I'm going to drop the AI completely and see if I can raise my estro back up and lower the Ca. Thanks for your feedback!
as it was said before, get a pharma grade AI as soon as possible! I wouldn't completely drop the research grade AI until you get the pharam product, maybe cut the dose in half. if you remove the AI completely you will have the opposite issue, high estrogen which can be very difficult to get back in check. again, place am order for some quality aromasin, asap, as in yesterday!
I had actually ordered pharma grade over the weekend prior to receiving bloodwork results or posting here. I had assumed the research grade was bunk, naively blaming high estro for feeling sluggish and drowsy. I believe now those symtpoms are probably due to high RBC. Will definitely find out after giving some blood.
What's your TRT compound and dose? How long on TRT? How long have you been blasting the current cocktail noted above? And, after you started the sustanon and npp, how long had it been until you had the blood drawn?
Is your exemestane pharma grade, or research grade? Are you on any other supps? Do you have any allergies to drugs, or foods?
Definitely donate blood asap. Obviously, after that, continue to increase fluid intake. Gatorade would be a nice addition, along with water.
How is your diet?
TRT compound is Test E in the 150mg-200mg/wk. I've been on TRT for two years now. Currently blasting at 7 weeks, and I'm embarrassed to say this, but it's been two years since I've had bloods drawn. I know, stupid, stupid, stupid, but that's going to change moving forward. No more being an idiot.
Exemestane is actually research grade, which really surprises me that it's crashing my estro.
Other supplements are: Opti-men multi vitamin, sarrapeptase 120,000 SPU ED, 81mg aspirin ED, taurine 4,000mg ED, and Liv.52 4 caps ED. I also use 400mg of caffeine and 25mcg of ephederine (Primatene) PreWO, and 800mg ibuprofen a few times a week. No food allergies. The only drug allergie I know of is to penicillin.
I plan to have plenty of Gatorade with me today after donating, I drink quite a bit of daily already. I made my appointment just as soon as I saw the RBC. I've been having terrible headaches lately and that probably explains it.
My diet is pretty decent. Nearly all sugar is consumed PostWO, I only eat low GI carbs during the day (except during and after lifting), I consume lots of chicken, fish and eggs as protein sources with a shake once a day, and plenty of green veggies. If I had to guess I'm around 14-16% BF . I cook nearly all my own food (do weekly food prep) so I control the salt significantly, and consume on average around 250g Protein, 400g Carbs, and 100g good fats per day.
Thanks for your help sir!
Consider the exemestane either low dosed, or another compound, maybe adex, or letro...Get some pharma grade exemestane, and cut back on the exemestane you're using, or stop it completely, and see if you can raise estrogen. Monitor for signs and symptoms of elevating estrogen, like sensitive nipples, oily face, acne, slight bloated feeling. Puzzling, you have been on your cocktail blast with an adequate amount of time for levels to stabilize, along with estro to elevate, as well.
400mg of caffeine can lower estrogen too. I'm sure the ephedrine is measured in milligrams, so that's 25mg.. 800mg Isobutylpropylphenol...aka ibuprofen...is quite a hefty dose, too. Try limiting, and/or decreasing these drugs and see if your bloodwork improves.
Sarrapeptase...I'm not familiar with...I will research.
I researched and i believe you should stop the Sarrapeptase, asap.
EDIT: your exem is more than likely dosed correctly. I would stop administering it, though, like mentioned above. 120,000 SPU, iu, is an overdose. So, you need less. I read some people just take 20Kiu per day. The bottle recommends 80K iu 3x per day, which says that's too much...this is a new compound derived from Serratia bacterium with minimal research.
So I went to give blood just now, and they denied me because he said my iron levels in my blood were to high, but I'd swear he wrote in the hematocrit field of his little card, and it had a value of 58, which is higher than my hematocrit above, but from what I'm reading, 58 of any unit of measure is normal. The range he showed was between 34-54 (didn't catch the unit of measure). I was told the only way they'd draw me is for a doctor ordered therapeutic draw. Any advice on where to go to get blood drawn with less fuss?
I actually ordered some pharma grade exemestane this weekend, before I had the blood results. Funny, I was ordering it under the asumption that my research grade was probably underdosed or bunk. This certainly may prove otherwise. I think I'll stop it completely for now.
Yes, ephedrine is measured in milligrams; not sure why I put mcg. I was always told that 800mg was an acceptable dose of ibuprofen for a 240 lb man. I'll be sure to start decreasing these drugs.
Interesting on the sarrapeptase. Everything I read suggested a dose between 80K and 120K SPU, but will kick it out too.
Do a query search on Google for blood donation centers within a 30-50 mile radius. Get an idea what other resources are available. Call them and question their parameters.
I was denied once secondary to a high blood pressure. The problem wasn't me, it was faulty equipment. As soon as I pointed out it was their faulty equipment and they were doing their job incorrectly, the attitude and tone changed for the lazy puke that didn't want to take my blood. And, I was able to drop a unit. So, equipment can be faulty. Keep going up there and bug the shit out of them!!
If you have a measuring cup that measures 600 cc and you have a decent vein that you can poke and withdraw blood from, for about 10-15 minutes, you could get rid of the blood that way. If you have someone that can assist you, or just keep them on standby in the event you need them, then make arrangements for that intervention, as well.
It occured to me yesterday, I actually have a really good friend who was a medic in the military and volunteers at the VA. He's more than qualified to assist. I had considered the self draw, but definitely not unassisted. My brain goes straight to passing out and not shutting off the flow. I have no doubt he'll willingly help out.
How soon after giving blood should I do labs again?
Thanks for all your feedback sir!
I usually wait 3 weeks....but your H & H will show changes within 24 hours. Yes, get your medic bro to help you...tell him I said he HAS to help you, please!
If you have isopropyl alcohol at the house, all he needs is a couple items: a tourniquet, a couple 18g and 20g angiocaths, tell him to grab a couple 21g butterflies, too..if you have huge veins 18g will be the best, he should already have some tape in his bag...hell he probably has everything in his bad...lol
Hah! He's going to help me out this Saturday. Couldn't get him any sooner. But he definitely has everything he needs in his bag. He's a SF guy, well prepared, and very sharp. I'm pretty certain he's an LPN for the VA, or some sort of mid-upper level nurse. I'm in good hands now. I can't believe I didn't think of him first. I trust the man more than most in this world.
Sounds like an awesome plan!! I'm glad you're getting fixed, bro...
Me too! Thank you for all your feedback bro!