advice on test only bulking cycle.
Hi all, just wanted to ask some advice about my next blast.
Ive been doing a long cut and have gone from 235 to 210 over the last 6 months or so.
Ive mainly just been running 250 test throughout with occasional short blasts of tren ace or dbol.
My interest is powerlifting and during my cut my deads and squats have stayed the same (mid 600 pull low 500 squat.) but my bench and press have begun to suffer.
I want to bulk with a lean towards strength but to have as low sides as possible so i'm thinking about running long estered test only @ 1 gram+ a week with an a.i with the goal of getting up to 242 class but staying nearly as lean as i am now.
What advice could anyone who has blasted high test only- strength gains, sides etc give me?
Thanks everyone!
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The guys have for you below. One gram of test is overkill. Use a lower dose and add in some Proviron at 50mg per day (split dose) to bind to SHBG and free up test. If your looking for some added strength and size gains but want to limit water then why not try pulsing anadrol at 50mg ED (split doses) 2 weeks on/2 weeks off/repeat.
I see you quite like anadrol dacky, recommended it a few times lately. It's terrible that I haven't finished my first cycle and yet I'm already thinking about my next but I'll be knocking on your door this winter for advice on my second I'm sure
I am indeed - see below - but only as appropriate.
Let's see how you go on the first cycle, how your PCT and recovery goes before we start planning a second cycle. How much of your gains you keep. And then a focus on your goals for a second cycle and food and training first. Cycle/stack last.
There is a good chance you won't need to add anything or maybe just some provi. The point here is not to just add compound for the sake of running something new/more. There's got to be a good reason or need for it (goals), it's got to be worth the risk and the individual needs to have enough experience and done enough research to deal with complications that may arise.
For sure man you're absolutely right, I'll not get carried away. Test is amazing so provi makes sense to free up the test and stop it binding. Yeah I'll see how recovery goes. Thanks
Test and proviron sounds good- how long can you run proviron for?
Ive never run drol , how noticeable are the strength gains?
Start the provi at the beginning of the cycle if you can afford it or by week 4 and run it right up until you start PCT. I am a drol fan. I love the gain and fullness and no bloat like d-bol. I have noticeable strength gains from it.
I will only ever pulse 2 weeks on/off as I feel I get diminishing gains if run for longer than 2 weeks at a time and of course it's hepatoxic so good to give the liver a rest. In my view must run TUDCA at 500mg ED (split dose) for the duration to protect the liver. Make sure you run some other cycle support including saw palmetto for prostate support from the provi.
Never used drol myself I hear mixed things
Some say it comes with a lot of water retention?
That's not been my experience. It's not like dbol in that respect but it will increase muscle glygogen storage which is in effect a form of water retention I guess - but the good kind. My view is that the "bad" experience those have and very specific to the individual and everything else they're doing/not doing on cycle like:
There are others in sure.
what do you think about still running my 250 test per week with the drol pulsed every 2 weeks?
Ive never run drol, but I have read that if your test is high the drol can interact badly with it- gyno etc.
250mg of test is too low for your stats and goals in my view. How about this - 500mg test e/c per week, 50mg provi per day split dose and 50mg drol per day split dose pulsed 2 week on 2 week off for 14 weeks. AI on hand and only used if needed. PCT week 17 to 20 Clomid 100/100/50/50 and Nolva 40/40/20/20 and aromasin if AI used on cycle.
Thanks bud!
Ive got all i need already to that other than the provi- got some mast enth, is that a viable sub?
I wouldn't use the Mast E for this cycle. They are on paper similar compounds but my experience of the effects is quite different. Mast E will harden you up and make you more vascular and dry so from a cosmetic perspective of you're a body builder this is a good thing. My view is it doesn't bind to SHBG as well as provi does (that's just an opinion not backed up by science) and I know for a fact I need to be super careful of dosage as I have crashed my estro running 400mg of Mast E alongside 500mg of Test E and no AI. Some people experience severe aggression on Mast E (not me). Provi is a better and less complicated choice for you on this cycle. It will free up test well which is the main point, it will act as an AI (how much is individually dependent) and it will give you an extra libido boost.
AnonWhen my brother ran a gram a week he said it wasn't worth the side effects , aggression through the roof , starting fights if anyone even looked at him and he's the most relaxed person you'll ever meet , horrible acne and he never had acne . Now he rarely goes above 500mg a week , at the most 650mg .
Ha sounds like me on tren!
Just wondering why you feel you need to blast a gram of test when you have previously never used close to that much?
I'm curious as to the effects of running one thing at a high dose rather than multiple steroids in a stack that cumulatively exceed a gram.
I have a good base of strength, lots of knowledge on programming my lifts and I know now after a lot of trial and error what assistance exercises work for me.
I dont want to use trial and error with regard to my AAS use- test seems to be the most forgiving in terms of sides- i'm happy to run 1 compound only if I can get the strength I want from it.
The gram + isnt set in stone- Any advice will be really appreciated.
The side effects of running that much test isn't worth it bro the size isn't determined by the amount of drugs you use its determined by how much food you eat. You can use 500 MG a week and put on all kinds of size... so by blast I'm assuming you never come off you just cruise along huh?
yes mate. I run cruise test at 250- then i will do 4-5 week blasts with tren at 400-500 or dbol 30mg a day with the test the same.
Biggest blast was 1x amp cruise dose + a blend of test 100, mast 100 tren 250 per ml which i ran er 1.5ml- 2ml per week so total mgs is about a gram a week.
Would test only at a similar dose provide more mass and strength?
... I'm going to be honest bro. I don't even know how to respond with advice to this. I keep a shit simple. Test+dbol or test+proviron to the other OG's on here are going to have to steer you right. I never see a need of running more than 2 compounds per cycle. I was simply speaking on diet... the more you eat the bigger you'll get the strength will come as well I don't think anyone needs a gram+ of anything a week...
Thanks for the advice bud.
Ive been as high as 260lbs a few years ago when still natty- GOMAD, 1.5lbs of beef a day etc- i'm not looking for crash weight gain- more than happy to take a couple of years to get up to 242- i'm in no rush- just want to know what the best way to go about it is?
I did gomad once upon a time. Your profile says 220 right now? I weighed 220 the heaviest point in my life I'm also 5 foot 8. This is what I would do me personally I won't break things down into macros and all that I'll just give you a brief example.
Test c or e at 500 MG a week split into 2 doses Monday Thursday pin schedule.
Proviron at 50 MG a day OR dbol at 30 MG a day. If it's good dbol this is all you need. The less you use the better off your health will be.
Food wise if I was trying to get back to 220 which I'll never do because I felt like shit but if I was I would be eating upwards of 8k calories a day if not more. To me and everyone else on here the most important thing you can do is eating. The drugs are simply there to help not do the work for you, in fact they won't do the work for you. That's plain and simple. Eat train sleep rinse repeat stay dedicated to your goal and you'll obtain the results you want. This may not have been the answer you want ad far as the gear goes but it's my honest answer... there is no magic pill bro
thanks for your advice guys.
I asked the same question to a guy I train with occasionaly (5ft 10, 270lbs+, 1900+ total) and he said
' either 1 gram test 1 gram deca +100 drol a day or 2+ grams test '
I just looked at him like wtf!
That is insane he sounds like a fucking huge dude at that weight and height but that shit will cause him a world of hurt. That is irresponsible in my opinion. Please listen to us the guys on here lmao
yeah hes a fuckin animal- 300+ strict military, 200+ strict curl, 200+ resting heart rate!!
200 resting heart rate? That dude is going to have a heart attack man. You should try and talk to him bro. He is risking his life for some gains? It's isnt worth it!
lol mate only joking about the heart rate- fuck I would drive him to the ER if thats how high it was!