posted Thu, 02/14/2013 - 09:58
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Why can't you take a oral in the middle of your cycle?
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If your running a long cycle like 18 weeks or so why can't you run like dbol,anvar or some other oral in the middle you cycle? Or can you? Or even upping the does on like test, can you do this? Also can you add anther compone like tren or what ever in the middle? These are question not intended to act on this
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I see this is four years old, but compounds are taken based on goals. I have no goals other than to look decent, have a fair amount of strength, but still be able to do my job. Im also TRT so i have no concerns of being shutdown, I wish i wasnt but that is my sad reality....With that said i dont count how many weeks im on cycle, i dont set up a religious regime and stick to it. If I decide to run a compound for 8 weeks and decide to switch at 6 I do it, or maybe I feel I need to run it for 10. Orals are no different for me. I run them when i want and for as long as i want so long as im staying with in the limits of said orals. So rarely do I exceed 4 weeks on any oral except var, and I dont run any orals after i come off for several months....I also perfer to run a "kickstart" of orals after 4 weeks of long esters. So on a basic 12 week cycle that puts me at week 5-9 which is mid cycle...
Thats why i like pulsing-3 weeks on 2 weeks off.
Same here, once I read up on the benefits of pulsing orals I prefer to take them that way with short esters as a kickstart in lieu of oral kickstarts... I prefer 2on2off. I'm assuming the 3on2off is based on experience and keeping liver values in check. How has this been working out for you? It seems like one could hypothetically even push to 4on2off if liver values recover, which I'm sure TUDCA would help with.
Yea i just find 3 on more beneficial, tudca, milk thistle, liv 52, nac and a shit load of super green shakes with extra beetroot and cranberry juice for liver and kidneys, goes for any oral runs, i stick with drol and dbol and rarely stray from either of those two, i tolerate them well and dont suffer sides.
Have to have a real specific reason to do so, which for most there really isn't. Many people hit a so-called plateau in gains and think the answer is to add more compounds to get over it. I dare say that 90% of the time that plateau is diet related so they need to throw more food into the cycle or adjust there nutrient timing. Most often bulking will lead to decreased insulin sensitivity which will bring lean body mass gains to a halt and speed up fat gain. So what needs to be done is resetting that sensitivity to get the gains going again. AAS won't do that. Do a week or so of cals below your tdee (cyclic bulking approach) or help reset with metformin.
I will take oral anytime I can get it, on cycle or not.......lol.....from the wife.......
Lmfao...... X2
I'll let you know how it works for me. About to start dbol in the middle of test-e cycle tomorrow.
I'll try to keep this simple but elaborate on the main questions you've asked since this is a great question for learning purposes to novice/intermediate users. If you're running a long cycle like in the 18 week range usually this is because you will be running longer ester compounds such as test-E or other compounds such as Eq/Deca. Since these compounds take time to build-up usually people will use D-bol to kick-start their cycle for strength/bulking. Since D-bol is a highly water retentive steroid it's use is more suited for the beginning of a cycle...throwing it in the middle of the cycle isn't as beneficial as your longer ester AAS has built up and you will have adequate strength/building effects by then. Plus the strain of adding another compound such as D-bol will just make you most likely bloat too much and could cause other issues such as elevated BP. Anavar is a compound that is better suited for cutting/strength which is why most people use this in the tail-end of their cycle as they built mass they want to lean out and get rid of water near the end as they might be competing which Anavar is great for hardening up/leaning out/increasing strength to pull more muscle fibers out. Anavar will suppress your natural test, SHBG, LH as like other compounds but since your cycle will be over using Anavar in the tail-end you'll be in PCT by the time any major suppression occurs. Changing the dose of test on cycle like upping the dose will cause a fluctuation to your test levels which isn't great for your body to handle. This could cause more suppression on your system, changes in your BP, or other issues such as excessive bloat. The conversion of test to estrogen will throw your hormone levels out of whack and problematic issues such as high estrogen causes may not be solved immediately even with upping your AI and then if you do you could crash your estrogen by using too much. This is why using a balanced approach to weekly injection procedure using specific amounts of compounds/ancillaries is important as beginner/intermediate users won’t be experienced enough to be able to control these changes. Even experienced users can/and do make mistakes as well. Keeping a stable dosage level is the best approach to circumvent issues caused from imbalances. Other compounds like tren or whatever else is best suited at specific points during your cycle depending on your goals/results you want from your cycle. Most individuals run Test-P the last 2-4 weeks after their last injections of the longer esters because this is a good way to taper off and will help finish the leaning out process from the long estered cycle. Experienced users may even use tren-a as well in the tail-end of a cycle as a hardening agent as well as pack on/maintain as much muscle before a show since diet becomes strict and this compound helps keep a positive nitrogen balance in your muscles. Throwing in compounds in the middle of a cycle isn’t beneficial because more isn’t better following a balanced approach as I mentioned before is a good practice to follow. Basically understanding the compounds and how you react to them is most important when planning out and mapping a cycle. I always see people jumping from A to Z then backtracking to follow all the steps they missed which would’ve been a useful opportunity to learn about compounds and how they react to them. If you are disciplined in your diet and training you should follow the same approach to cycles if you want the best results and not end up causing damage to your body.
Pretty solid
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paragraphs please man? wanted to take a read
Rustyhooker"will be over using Anavar in the tail-end you'll be in PCT by the time any major suppression occurs. "
You're already suppressed as you're on cycle. Rest was solid
Man, that was one great explanation. Thank you
great information +1.. and I will not use the dbol in the middle of my cycle now because of your post
thank you
Hey ironmind great post to my question. Very helpful. Just to let every one know in on week six of 500 mg a week of test E, 600 mg of EQ a week. First four week wast test P.
you can run an oral anytime like the others have said... I myself started var for 4 weeks on and 2 weeks off then dbol for 3 weeks on and one week off then back to the var to Finnish out.. my cycle is 500 mg tren hex week 300mg test e week, 300mg masteron e week.. the var dries you out and the dbol adds bulk (water) .. that is why I finnish with the var!!! oh and I take 6 liv52 a day
It was just a random question I hade. I always read that do all kickers in the front of cycle.
What are u talking about? I started dbol at week 6, and now I recently dropped that and started Tbol. Run an oral whenever u want bro just take some good liver support supps
Why wouldn't you be able to run an oral in the middle of a cycle?!
My current cycle is an 18 weaker. I am starting with a test P and Tbol jumpstart. I also frontloaded my EQ 1200mg a week for 2 weeks. Then week 12 I start Anavar. 75 mg a day. SO I dont completely understand your question. As for running tren mid cycle, the new view on tren is low test dose compared to the tren dose. So If you are running high test you dont want to start a tren cycle in the middle of that.
There are people who do all of the above. Im not experienced enough to tell you if either is a good idea but plenty of people do the things you mentioned.