Very interesting post in regards Test Prop vs. Enanthate and total buildup for the week, different way of looking at it all. Time for a change I think.

Then why if I took 300mg of test a week and 700mg test a week my test levels be higher than the other. But yet you can only have 300mg of test in your system at one time! I don't belive this at all!

We want Tread back .

First time I saw this.

This is why I do a certain mix. 200mg testC/100mg testP per ml. I still do a shot a day despite how much this looks like.

But regardless, prop has given me superior results so I'm on the fence here.

OK. I'll bite.
I disagree. 100mgs a day, times 7 days equals 700mg a week of prop. The prop may be converted to exogenous test at a far faster rate than the enathate, but you are dosing it daily and should see a similar test serum level, and daily release of exogenous test.
With a long ester, the chemical structure delivers the stead state release. With a short ester, the syringe delivers the steady state relase. Below is a graph from steroid plotdotcom, the first 10 weeks are 100mg a day of prop, the second 10 weeks is 300 mg E3D (700 a week) of test E. The prop delivers an even higher dose of exogenous test.
http://steroidplot.com/share/?l=20&t=10&n=2&c0_d=100&c0_c=testosterone&c...

The graph shows the higher daily release of test from the prop, probably from the ethanate ester being 10% heavier than the prop ester, meaning that the prop is 10% more test mg for mg.
http://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/anabolic-steroids/weight-of-ster...

No disrespect to tread, and I see he's not on lately to continue the debate. I'm in my first prop taper right now, and this post just happened to go against everything I thought I just learned about prop.
I'm sure another guru will step up and set me straight if I'm wrong.

I'm not always the sharpest tool in the box but this is laid out so well it's nice n easy to understand.

Bump

BUMP................ i feel this needs to read and digested by a lot more new members, i am noticing even guys with years of cycle knowledge do not fully understand the prop math on either a kicker or a taper to to PCT.

Thank you Tread for this post and alloneword for pointing it back out to me. I am in the final days of the TestP taper (been pinning 100 EOD) and both of us on this cycle have noticed how much less we are feeling of the test. Less than godlike if you will.

For some reason I expected more out of TestP and maybe at ED it is. Don't misunderstand, I still feel pretty good but libido and that extra drive seems to be diminished..

LET ME MAKE SOMETHING CRYSTAL CLEAR RIGHT HERE AND NOW..... TOO MANY FKN PRICKS JUST OUT OF SHORT PANTS HAVE BEEN TRYING TO TAKE CHEAP SHOTS AT TREAD IN THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS.... I BANNED ONE OF THE FOOLS LASTNIGHT TO MAKE IT CLEAR I WILL NOT BE PUTTING UP WITH THESE FKN ANTICS.... TREAD IS A GENT AND WILL VERY RARELY ENGAGE IN CONFLICT WITH ANOTHER MEMBER PURELY TO KEEP THE PEACE AND KEEP DRAMA TO A MINIMUM..... NOW HEAR THIS AND HEAR IT WELL!

THE NEXT FUCKER THAT WANTS TO MESS WITH TREAD MAY AS WELL JUST COME AND MESS WITH ME!... YOUR FKN ASS WILL BE OUTA HERE FASTER THAN YOU CAN FKN BREATH.... DIGEST THIS WARNING BECAUSE I WILL NOT REPEAT MYSELF.... ARE WE CLEAR!!

For me Testosterone is the number one over all mass builder. What I mean about this is mg for mg this compound will put more weight on me that any other compound when the dose is used in the effective range The actual quality of the weight is not very good in general but this needs to be used periodically in increased doses for me to add size.

Most of the year I use little Testosterone, sometimes I use none at all. The small amounts when I do use are simply for aggression and sexual function, however these two effects seem to gradually decrease in their potency the longer I am using the compound when used at lower doses. When I first begin to use after a period of none use I will be very sexually active and very aggressive in the gym however after a few months particularly the sexual function will decrease often to a point where I will need a helping hand in the bedroom from time to time unless I am using medium to higher doses and then it never is a problem. Reason for this I am not sure but have had minor sexual function problems for quite some years now which I speculate are down to varying things I have done in the past but not the actual use of steroids.

My Testosterone ester of preference to use is enanthate which I use most of the time and shortly followed my propionate. The reason I use enanthate is simple, it works out the best value for money and I use less volume when injecting as higher mg per ml solutions can be utilised painlessly The actual noticeable differences are very small between this and propionate however the main difference is the the water held between the skin (bloat) is very slightly less with the propionate and it is more potent mg for mg due to the shorter ester. The shorter ester comes in to play when blasting test as you can quickly reduce excess bloat from over dosing as when you reduce the water drops quicker however the enanthate is only a few days longer. I do not like testosterone blends, they can be good value for money but there is no extra benefit in my experience to all the fancy esters as far as keeping your blood levels stable (as many people believe these products do so more than conventional esters), you still need frequent injects to actually ensure stability. All the other esters in my experience either cause too much bloat or simply are not as good value for money.

Dosages I play with depend what I am doing. For function and aggression I stay around the 200mg a week mark and just do two injects a week. Again 3-4 would be better but it does the job at this and does not cause me any problems. Dosages of 300mg a week and above cause me to bloat heavily My arms will thicken but my veins will blur and my chest and abdominal region will take on allot of water despite me being lean. I can correct this to a point with the additional use of Masteron Propionate, but to give you an idea I would have to run my Masteron at around 750-800mg a week to hold off bloat from 400mg of Testosterone enanthate and there are limits to how far I can take this. At 400mg a week I would make good gains in the terms of thickness without the Masteron but with that compound there holding off the water it would be more steady. Trenbolone to a point helps regulate the water better when using testosterone but no where nearly as effective as Masteron, however when these 3 are combined you can produce a good look. The carbohydrates need to be watched and so does the sodium intake with anything above 200mg a week and even at this dosage I will bloat more than if no testosterone is present.

Testosterone does have a mild effect on fat burning for me and over the months of consistent use you will see a decrease in fat especially when used in conjunction with other compounds, this is a good reason to keep the compound in the body prolonged periods in conjunction with other products. It does stimulate my appetite mildly more so that when not used and this is true to the dosage, the more I take the more hungry I will be however it is a very minor hunger when compared to other compounds.

Testosterone does have it's place and it does contribute significantly to my growth even at low level, but the fact it makes me look like complete shit very easily is the reason I limit it's use to low doses. When I have blasted this compound and ate freely the actual overall gains have been very big but as I have said before the quality was not that good. This is not how I like to grow personally and I limit the increasing doses to sticking points usually as I always hate how I look even just after week or two into doing this. Overall not a nice compound for me but its low level use has benefits over not using at all. This concludes my thoughts on Testosterone.