posted Tue, 03/29/2016 - 09:16
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Masteron reducing estrogen
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How many of you guys have experience with masteron. What dose did you take and did you have to lower your ai any? Are the anti estrogen effects of masteron as pronounced as people really make it out to be?
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Masteron has anti estrogen effects but I would not count on them alone to suppress estrogen. A lot of people want to decrease their AI dosage when using mast but I would not even do that.
I hate mast. Crashes my estrogen right away and I feel like total shit while taking it. On the same token I also love mast. Dries me to the bone and shreds me up. The only use I really see for mast is when prepping for a comp. I'll never take it otherwise. It is not much of a mass builder, just a hardener. One trick pony for comp prep on my book. 100mg mast p eod is plenty to make me feel like shit, harden me up and help shed that little bit of extra water before hitting the stage.
Mast at 300-400mg a week and Provi at 50mg Ed worked for me. Everyone is different have all AI's on hand for plan B. Trial and error.
The answer is no. I could write a big expose on this as I did the same experiment as Darth. But its easier just to point you to this link.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLIgIx2E-3I
IMO, masteron really only has 3 uses. One, for water manipulation. It helps to decrease the amount of subcutaneous water under the skin and helps pub that water into the right areas. I.e. Intramuscularly. Two, to help with hardness and vascularity and density while already very lean during contest prep. Or third, using it as a libido enhancer because of its dht nature while using things that can suppress libido I.e nandrolone. Those are, IMO, the only reasonable uses for masteron. But to think it can solely be depended on to control estrogen if aromatizion is high is naive. Besides that would be a very expensive way to control estrogen when Aromasin is far cheaper and much more effective at doing that.
Don't ever rely on masteron in terms of anti estrogenic effects. It can never replace an AI. Always keep an AI on hand..
There is not a shred of scientific data backing the masteron as an AI debate. And to take it a step further I earned my first lump doing the masteron/proviron AI experiment. I knew I was developing problem but still hung on for too long.
I'm currently using it at 1 000 mg to aid in shrinking a lump.. in combination with 2.5mg letro ED, .5 mg cabaser e3d and 60 mg raloxifene ED. I'm aware that it's only broscience saying that it has any effect on gyno, but drostanolone has originally been invented a a treat for breast cancer in women. It helps with maintaining a good androgen:estrogen ratio though and increases free testosterone due to it's binding to shbg.
Drostanolone has it's uses but it's certainly not an AI, not even remotely..
I'm just throwing everything in that makes sense to combat the lump.. which I got from trenbolone use
Gyno is not breast cancer. Instead of most of that stuff take a nolvadex and take a half in the morning and a half in the evening. Also cut your test dose down to a low HRT dose. You will be pleasantly surprised if the lump isn't too out of control. It will take a couple months to shrink it to almost nothing but patience is the key.
I know with me the right side one is the more sensitive of the two. This last tren run had that one regrow a bit as well, never to the point of painful, just enough that I knew it was bigger again. Now I will drop back to cruise dose testC and continue with the nolvadex and it will shrink back again.
RustyhookerGotta agree on your approach.
Mast was made to lower estro sensitivity in the breast and lower estrogen. But how much is individualized imo. Fitcpl shrunk lumps with the masteron while others had success with simple nolvadex. Nolva is more affordable and been used for many decades.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drostanolone
Found a med report on mast and nolva combo medically used to treat women. Finding American version. Other was in french
Yea,there is no questioning in nolvadex,it is cheap and has a proven track record. #notbroscience
RustyhookerOnly blood work will prove/disprove the effects for you personally. There's folks on here needing letro for even small test doses.
Some guys are blessed with natural estro resistance, no two ways about it but I think many guys simply gamble and wait until they start feeling sides and in many cases the damage is done at that point and they are fighting an uphill battle to regain control. I think for noobs the safe policy is start the AI early and stay ahead of the flames..
RustyhookerBloods are semi cheap. But getting newer folks on the train isnt as easy. Used to be bloods posted daily but its slowed. And having to double the aro or go to letro in a last ditch effort would be nerve wracking. If you get on top of things the success would be high as well.
Yea, in theory it would help a great deal, but how many guys can afford to get bloods done every week or have the time too? And realistically you would need to during that first 4-5 weeks to stay ahead of estro. Not only that but to my knowledge we don't even know the true combination for what sets off gyno, is it strictly estro? Or is it a combination? Prolactin, Estro, SBHG all working in unison? And what is the magic number for each individual? Talk about mission impossible..
Agreed...
RustyhookerBoom! Hit every reality right on the head. Even test alone bumps all those
Test alone bumps all those...referring to estro, prolactin, shbg? This might help explain my situation.