+ 1 Sustanon King of the Mass
Sustanon... Often over looked anymore as one of the best if not the best AAS for building mass hands down. I have ran Test E & Test C cycles there great, but if one really wants to take the time research Sustanon you will find its all you really need. Sustanon is not a AAS that you run a short cycle with its a 12-16 week cycle type of drug. let's look how it's broke down
30 mg testosterone propionate
60 mg testosterone phenylpropionate
60 mg testosterone isocaproate
100 mg testosterone decanoate
This is the most common configuration Sustanon 250 but there are others the mg are just adjusted to get the desired mg. but if your Sustanon doesn't exactly contain these testosterone Esters then it's simply not Sustanon
Of course we know the prop ester is a short fast acting one that peaks around 1 to 1.5 days
Phenylepropionate ester peaks around 3-5 days
Isocaproate ester peaks around 8-9 days
And the big one Decanoate peaks around 14-15 days
Why are these important ? If ran correctly Sustanon is constantly banging your body with testosterone but the KEY IS STABILITY !!!! This isnt a steroid where you can inject once or twice a week and keep bloods level, I've experimented different ways and have found 2 ways that work best for me when pinning this . I total up how much mg I want to run a week and divide by 7 , 7days in the number of days in a week for the challenged ones then simply pin that amount ED. This By far is my favorite method to run this compound , now I have also pinned it EOD and E3D both are good as well. When pinning ED OR EOD you will need a large amount of rotation sites min of 8 to reduce chances of a steral abcess or becoming just to sore. Sustanon stacks well with every compound, one thing I have noticed at least with me and guys I have helped I seem to retain a little more water or look a little puffy when on cycle with this ,it can be easily managed by watching carb intake and making sure your AI protocol is solid. I also recomend pulling bloods week 6 week 10 to chart yourself and to see your doing everything correctly maintaining stable blood levels if your the novice . And with any cycle the main key to any sucseful cycle is food food and training ! Hope this will give a few guys a refreshed look at the over looked king of Steroids.
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I like sustanon, but I don't really see any benefit of it over "regular" esters. You can keep stable test levels by running the appropriate protocol with all esters, provided you know what you're doing.
Usually the real mass builders are the compounds like deca, which also simultaneously lubricate your joints so you can progressive overload to the max in the gym. I used to run higher test dosages but now I don't really see much benefit for any advanced lifter running higher test rather than just stacking with another compound and using it as a simple base.
Also not really a beginner-friendly product, considering I would absolutely recommend pinning ED.
What are you guys here thinking of the Sust version with 400mg per ml?
I was wondering to switch from pinning cyp twice per week to pin half ml of that Sus 400 EOD
AnonI think that's typically referred to as 'supertest.' Three esters? ..but, obviously higher mg/cc. Not technically sust, but same shit different 'flavor', obviously.
RustyhookerNot sust at all and bet he cries....
Good write up.
I love Sus. My body reacts to it well, great gains, minimum bloat. It's so weird, when I do isolated Test compound cycles e.g. Test Prop only - my PIP is just insane and I get the Test Flu indefinitely (it eventually gets better but truly never leaves - tried different brands too). I've had better luck with PIP and the fogginess with long esters e.g. Test E only.
I cannot pin every day... I'm prone to PIP and I train BJJ 6 days a week, there are just not enough injection sites. 2 pins per week for SUS has worked for me previously, but this current cycle I'm on, I'm pinning E3D and so far so good - though its week 3.
RustyhookerTest flu.... 500mg vit c...mega b....and zinc. Or tge Emergen-C pack in water. Helps a ton.
Sust is ed or eod or get back to cyp/enth. Cryhavok has hells posts and forums on galf life science, charts, graphs etc
It’s been a while Rusty hope you are well brother.
RustyhookerYou as well! Gonna be a good year hopefully! Pma
300 SavageI have been running .5 per day..for about 5 weeks.. the strength gain I feel is not as strong as Test E..Im not really seeing the hype of sustanon 250..
muscle4plussame lol
RustyhookerHalf cc ed and you feel nothing? Somethings wrong with your estro or food.
thanks for the write up, i have never understood WHY sustanon works so well. i know alot of top bodybuilders use exclusively sust (as there test base) both pre contest and offseason. i just never understood what facilitates its benefits over a single ester. i know there is anecdotal evidence, but i am sort of a nerd i guess i want to know exactly WHY something is better.
CoblerKing of mass my ass. To get the most out of it you need eod jabs, might as well use prop instead. Test e or c twice will keep bloods stable enough. The King of mass title probably doesnt belong to any test ester or blend.
Thanks for stopping lol
CoblerThanks for thanks "lol"
I thought his response was perfect.
C'mon guy
I have good luck also using 250mg eod, in the past but I know our bodies change and also we all have to find that sweet spot again seems for everything from gear, training, diet, and life style as we age. We still have to push and thrive to be the best we can be and try to beat ourself year to year that is what matters is to be the best that we can dispite genetics and what others think of us and what ever life throws at us.
Little quote I found
The things we get in life can make us a living.
The things we give to people can make a life.
Never look down on anybody unless you're helping them up.
Nice write up bro as always.
And for the king of test cycles pin sust daily with a half ml extra of prop and hit test e twice a week also, add in proviron and adjust ai as needed and this reAlly is the king of test only cycles. Advanced only.
Cat got me to add Cyp to my sister runs and fuck yeah things really smooths out. Adding the Cyp did more for my acne than my AI I think. Less ups and downs. Smooth waters baby
Exactly one of the guys I was mentioning.
Don't get the added test E when u have test D ester in there have you ran that before and did you like it better
Preference really just how I like doing it few others on here do the same. There is about 5-7 days difference in e and d half life. When were talking grams and build up of esthers were talking months.....
I agree with that just never ran it that way
300 SavageAdd test e also.. how much would you add?
250 mgs. 125 mgs twice a week. Yes I've ran it. I like having the steady long Esther in back ground at all times.
300 SavageCool.. I have about 50 mls of Test E lying around..I think Im going to throw a small dose in..Thanks..
I am doing a sust decca cycle. I add a liitle extra Tprop in my inj. 50ml. I inj E3 days. I am not ready for that many inj yet. What do ya think? Plus I have sus500 which you have to cut it or it will give u pirate leg for a week.
I have never had a high concentrated roid that didn't hurt like a bitch. You definitely are going to want to mix that with something else lol. Be sure to warm it up too for chrissakes.
Hahaha pirate leg! ! !
You said it stacks well with just about everything. From what I've read sust is great for mass and Winn is great for strength and dryness. In my mind these 2 would work great together giving both mass , strength , and dryness. What's your thoughts on that?
What's your goal ? Winnie isn't going to give you that big shit of strength it's going to dry you out more of a finishing coumpound
I'm not running that. I'm just putting together what I've read. With qualities of sust and Winn together in my mind would equal a lean bulk? Honestly I'm not running this and honestly I'm 33yrs old. Lol. Just looking to learn.
bigmurphI got the most mass off of the one sust and dbol cycle I ran it was the only cycle I ever took where people looked at me and asked what I was taking because I blew up so quickly
+1 this should help some guys thinking about running sustanon especially those looking to bulk
300 SavageHow many mgs per week did you run? and was it ed or eod?
bigmurphI run low doses of test usually 400mgs a wk when I ran that cycle I shot 250mgs mon wed fri it blew me up. I was also running dbol at 20mg for the first 6wks and it was a 12 wk cycle
300 SavageBlew up as in water weight?
bigmurphYes it was the water that everyone was seeing at first with the instant size difference but in the end it was a great bulking cycle. I don't remember how much I actually put on this cycle was around 10yrs ago
Nice write up was thinking about using it on my next cycle as my test base with eq and deca gonna be a long cycle any way sounds like a good place to start