+ 3 What's with all you young punk dumb ass, 1st ish cycle Tren train pussies!? Young men, here are some questions.
AAARRRGGGHHH!!! OK. I've gotta rant on this. Sorry if I don't make some of you feel welcome here @ eroids!? (the facebook of steroids; is a very, very, very beautiful place, w/or w/out some people. Myself included) You ARE welcome here...
Here are some questions that you need to honestly ask yourself, before you buy your cycle, OF ANYTHING! This is just my opinion. I believe an educated opinion, and if you ask me (& I always do) I tend to agree w/myself 99% of the time.
Honestly, at 16-25 your test levels should be through the fucking roof, so why shut it down now? For most All men, it really doesn't start to slow down until mid 30's. If you do think you're special, like mommy told you. Believe me, brother, you're not. Only I am! The least you can do is your own fucking Research. Research, research, research.
Questions to honestly ask yourself:
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Have you been working out hard for 4-5 years straight without more the 2 maybe 3 weeks off every 8-12+ weeks; taking notes?
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Do you know what a forced rep, &/or a drop set is?
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Do you eat well, every 2.5-3 hours, 5-6 times a day without missing a meal?
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Do you already know what diet ratio ussually works the best for you to reach your goals (off cycle)?
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Can you, or Do you get at least 6-8 hours of sleep every night?
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Yada, yada, yada
This AAS thingy, is something that can have a huge effect on your body for the rest of your life, so don't make that choice in a matter of minutes. Come back at roughly an age of at least 25 with a greater understanding, and knowledge of AAS, and what you want out of them. & also having a greater actual need for them to assist you in your long quest to be HE-MAN. Do they still have he-man? & if you don't know who John Wayne is, please for the love of the good dude upstairs. LEARN...
THERE IS NO MAGIC PILL, OR VIAL, THAT REPLACES HARD WORK, DEDICATION, AND EDUCATION! SERIOUSLY, there is nothing better!!!
You all, as men have plenty of natty test @ 25 even+ (See a doc, get a blood test to find out), or at least most of you should, to obtain significant results (If you put in the hard work needed). I think the optimum age would be around 30+, honestly. If you don't have the knowledge and discipline it takes to first attain results 8 years natty, learning & knowing how to manipulate your body through hard work & diet, you have no business using AAS.
Any-who:
Some of you may say something like. That's bullshit, anyone can obtain their natty potiential in 3-4 years of hard work in the gym. That's the bullshit, right there. IMEO. That's just impatience. If you're still gaining weight, adding more plates, etc, you're probably doing something right. Now, If you are a body builder of some sorts. IMO, you probably have need of a fast track. But, just because something works/worked for you, does not mean it will work for young sparkytard. He really needs to learn for himself that the proper nutrition, and vita/mineral regime needed is essential 1st. Hard work, dedication 2nd, proper form 3rd, etc, etc, etc...
If you are not near your natural potential, you shouldn't consider using them yet. I consider an very educated 23-24 the minimum age for AAS. I certainly wasn't ready, and I honestly thought that I was a man since I got laid @ 14 (did not do my 1st cycle @ 14)! Don't show your lack of mental discipline & impatience by choosing a 1st cycle of test/deca stack any doses of deca EQ, &/or especially TREN! (that means you think you are special) & more often than not; you, being impatient, will not be satisfied with the results of Any cycle. & you'll then have 2-3 more w/increasing doses this time next year, with much larger doses of Deca & Tren, longer cycles, so on & so forth. Will Absolutely End up hurting yourself, or someone else, & in turn give all of us a bad fucking rap...
I honestly don't think that you skip any steps in this game, brothers. Learning compounds 1 at a time, yes still starting w/testosterone. Then EQ, or Deca. Only continuing to reach out for tren & such as needed when your test, etc starts to lose its effectiveness. I'm here to help guys learn to have the patience that I didn't have, and properly commit themselves to being better naturally, building a good knowledge & base 1st. I didn't have the Internet, or eroids. & honestly pulled the plug on my 1st cycle of Test C after 3 weeks, thinking it was bunk. & that's honestly not even one of the dumbest things I did : (
Look up guys like Reg Park, or Steve Reeves. Or, even everymans favorite on here self proclaimed old farts like Goth, Hollywood, Greg, Tread, Viking, KMC, etc, etc, etc. The likes of whom can still bring it, & kick ass! There is a valid reason these dudes are still alive.
Everyone needs the dedication, aged wisdom, & patience that only comes from father time. Properly learning your limits, learning to break through multiple plateaus (mental & physical), natty. It only comes from experience. The right way. Hard fucking work & discipline! So, you'll already know your limits naturally, what worked best, didn't work, etc, etc, etc (as they are hopefully written down for you/by you already) That way your dick doesn't fall off after doing supersets of cock raises & mini barbell curls (the only real way to spot reduce that little tubber of fat above your cock & balls, you sally:) Sorry, had to be done.
Do it for the longevity, to better your lives for the next 80 years, not just the next year or seven, or eight. Think ahead. If you're not planning ahead, guess what, You ain't no man, yet. Let's be honest guys, these things that we pump into our bodies are not necessarily good for us, especially after a certain quantity or amount of compounds for a period of time. & if abused you will hurt, possibly kill yourself, forever. You can't just hit the reset button & start over in this game.
I'm in a profession where you have to learn your complete natty limits, until you think you're broken & your body & mind both give out, then reboot! That's why it pisses me off so much to see some of you guys pop off on here daily, just to add quick mass to their otherwise puny frames, or to burn their fat ass off quicker; so they can finally fuck Ole whats her name. After reaching their genetic potential @ 20 something &/or 1-2 years of working out Real hard, like until I'm all sweaty, & IICCKKY 
Lot's of dudes, especially on here (yes, I'm talking to all you tren train 1st-3rd cycle pussies) would honestly be surprised how much their bodies can take.
Every man needs to learn his body & mind has natural limits. He (We all) needs/needed, to learn a little of this & that before he goes & jumps into something that he doesn't have the mindset for, just yet.
I personally think, that we as men, all need to be adamant, & tell these kids that they really should learn to be the turtle, the hard way; that the trials & tribulations gotten through hard work and proper food intake, nutrition, vita/minerals. & dedication. Is the right way to go, before they cycle anything.
The fact that over time these smaller & smaller gains will undoubtedly serve to make us better ambassadors, not just as men, but AAS in general. Don't get impatient. Just, put in the hard work needed, come back as a better man. Don't think all the gear in world will make you one!
Cover all your bases twice, leaving no room for error. This is just my humblest of opinions.
The kids are gonna do whatever the fuck they want, anyway. Always have & always will. Trust me guys, you will think that you're a man long before you really are.
So, if you decide to cycle anyway. At least Do it right. DO IT ABSOLUTELY FUCKING PERFECT, THE FIRST TIME! Test only to start with. Do your own homework. The last thing you want to do, is copy off of some dumb ass that failed the pct course.
Research, research, research. EVERYTHING, including especially PCT. Make sure to have everything in your hands, before you start your cycle! (practice perfecting your site rotation w/vita shots) Please don't come on here & say I have everything for my Test/A-Bomb/TNE/Deca/Winny cycle. How much should I take. What doses would be good for a ... cycle, etc ;'(
BEING A MAN, IS NOT AN AGE Number!!! It's education, proper training (HARD WORK), mind set, maturity, being accountable for your actions (ALL OF YOUR ACTIONS) and self discipline! If you need help, I'll try to help in any way that I can. But YOU'LL have to try.
You can agree or disagree with me on these things, that's OK. But we can all agree that mixing your protein shakes w/breast milk (not yours gentlemen) is the only way to really prove that you're hardcore.
Sorry, I'll end my somewhat incoherent rant. Hell, I forgot what I really wanted to say anyways. So, I will say ~ Good day.
Kind regards - Sarge
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BendTheBarbellThis guy may be gone but I am glad information like this is still available. Research is always necessary but I love reading threads like this. I wish I had mentors like y'all a long time ago.
Rustyhooker5 years back the folks were posting HUGE forums. From basics to complex to competitive. There'd be a ton of replies taking the op stats and priors and custom designing a cycle. Complete with food advising.
Lately, we're plagued with 6ft 165pound retreads jacking up the system. Cycle logs was an awesome learning spot, got overrun by cosigners with no experience. Now it's pouring into forums.
Us old farts came from a place where eroids wasn't even an idea. Computers? We had only the local gurus and the phd guys doing monthly writeups on chems in magazines. We read and studied A EVERYTHING. These millenials just want the gimmee. The catfish. The spoonfeed.
When you see old timers in forums, check their forums. The forum and replies are priceless
RustyhookerStill a good read
Sarge did have a way with words.
RustyhookerI think his last deployment was his last. :(
Used to chat with him for hours. Was a good d ude
Look up guys like Reg Park, or Steve Reeves. Or, even everymans favorite on here self proclaimed old farts like Goth, Hollywood, Greg, Tread, Viking, KMC, etc, etc, etc. The likes of whom can still bring it, & kick ass! There is a valid reason these dudes are still alive.
Yeah!!.. its me.. still alive and grown a pair of tiddies looking at my new avi
you look much better in a bra and some high heels ;-)
Good to see you Suzy. I hope you and Viking are doing well.
Tis me brother.... cannot log in so i used suzys..... dont panic its not urgent im only having a look around

Well, you know you are always welcome and I will be happy to get your account straight whenever you say
Thanks bro... i got it sorted, remember the last hacking thing we had the boss said update passwords... well i did and forgot it was like 25 digits long lol..... i just tattooed it on my ass so i dont forget again
Haha!!! Dug this out of the archives! Nice nice...shit like this WAS commonplace not too long ago. I miss some of this 'crew' that's not around anymore.
RustyhookerYessir. Tough love and real talk. Full forums all day long.
RustyhookerBump....looking for his menus as well
AnonI wish he would return
RustyhookerAgree with both ya'll. I fear the worst to another American hero. :(
yeah... me too ;-(
Bump indeed
Hey Sgt,
Remember my first post asking advice about using Tren. I was very ignorant about AAS. Still am. But now I know what compounds I should stay away until I learn about them a whole lot thoroughly. I'm glad you and Pank were able to steer me in the right direction. Sometimes some of these guys need help just like I did. Others are delusional about their own expertise.
Shepard
I don't need you to tell me what to do. Only got 1,5 years of natty training under my belt and I've committed to blasting and cruising. 2nd "real" cycle and I've been on tren for over 14 weeks now. You mad? Yeah you mad.
And tren is great as an accessory steroid but not something for real mass. It gets excess carbs being burnt off as heat and keeps protein synthesis high.
You talk about researching and learning.. here. Read this. http://ge.tt/98CNHaR/v/0
Once again I'll do what I want. Thanks.
sgtstedankoHahahahahahahahahaha! I mad? Lmfao. Meh. Honestly, I could care less. It's natural selection, pumpkin. I'm not telling you what to do. But, I am now telling You, & dudes like you. That you Give us all a bad name. & are the reason these things are still illegal... Have a good one. You Pussy. You're welcome.
This is your 2nd real cycle, & you think you what necessary. What do you have to compare to? What you've read. From somebody else's experiences? Really!?
Waited till 53 because that's when I first noticed strength dropping. Gear will do no good unless you have hit the natty wall. Unless diet is right, rest is right, and training is right, gear will not help! I think it is a sign of the times Sarge that the " I want it now and I don't want to work for it"generation would gravitate to AAS thinking it is the "magic pill". Then they blame the gear or try outrageous cycles when they fail! It's up to us vets here to at least educate them that this is nothing to toy with! At the end of the day we can only lead the horse to water, we can't make him drink!
tren is over hyped , its not as great as everyone is saying it is.... unless i got the underdosed version
AnonAs far as tren E. is concerned, I have to agree with you, I think tren is over hyped too. I have gotten from different sources just to make sure.
I'm going to try the short ester A in the future but as far as E is concerned I won't be adding anymore to my stash.
blackrock90have you ran tren?
sgtstedankoNope. Haven't needed it...
Im 31 and been lifting since 18 and still try to absorb any/all information I can before putting anything in my body. Great post sgt!
sgtstedankoGood for you, bubba. Thanks!
RustyhookerThat essay just made me stand and salute! Everything that'd REAL and needs be said...BOOM! Even youngsters cite Arnold did (fill in blank) and wad the best! There was no tren then. It was all food while he became European powerlifting champ. Then, as you already said, he covered the basics. Any youngster ever see him and Columbo lift? Utube that info because it was no joke.
sgtstedankoThanks, brother. Maybe if you end up reinventing yourself, yet again. You can comment again & again on other posts
Seriously though...
boom! Imho. It's all about the intensity those old school dudes trained at. They constantly pushed the envelope, so to speak. Invented New ways of doing shit, just to make it harder, & took in ungodly amounts of egg-whites, etc, etc, etc... They rock
RustyhookerCould you imagine if ya had the ability to step back and train with Arnold and Columbo for a year? Pure foods....no fancy bottles of drink. And they were HUGE!
sgtstedankoBumped. For even more dumbasses, now : (
sgtstedankoHello old friend : )
I'd forgotten about you. I may be relegated to surfing my own waves, w/this new mobile user friendly change :/ I feel old. Maybe I can get 12 year old to help me figure out this new eroids template...
AnonWhy do all you guys say that our test levels are through the roof? Have you seen the bloodwork of a 25 year old compared to the bloodwork of someone on gear?
Hardly call it through the roof. More like good enough to accomplish a fair amount in a year or two.
AnonI agree, I didnt start AAS till I was 29, and even then I started slow and safe. Im in this for the long haul.
sgtstedankoG2know, brother : ) boom! that's how you do it.
JohnnyBlackgood post, seems like you make it your business to call out us younging tho... ahhaha.. but still. very good post, can agree to a lot.
sgtstedankoMeh. It's ok... Thank you. I'm glad you're smarter than dudes, I was referring to.
bump for a great post!!
Nice post, started pinning at 27, held off for ages, there was alot of peer pressure on me to jump on a cycle from my mates but I wasnt committed enough to dedicate the time and effort and diet involved in doing a cycle at 100% optimum. When the time came around, when I learned all I had to about the compounds and how they will affect my body and my health I jumped on a moderate test cycle. Pushing 31 now and have only run 4 cycles but I look just like my mates if not better and they been on it 7 years longer then me. Be patient, play it smart. The only exception to the post is for a competitive bodybuilder, man its a juice fest just to be competitive!
Couldn't have said it any better, I'll be 33 soon and getting ready to do my first AFTER all the hard work and supplements and diet and RESEARCH! I've learned in my life through other HUGE mistakes to NOT hurry and SLOW down! It'll happen someday. I know patience is a killer sometimes, but like the old saying goes it is a virtue.
sgtstedanko"There's a beauty to wisdom and experience that cannot be faked. It's impossible to be mature without having lived."
- Amy Grant
never forget when i was first looking into this hobby of ours the guy i was looking to get gear from was trying to push tren on me so hard thank god ive done my research ive been doing this for about 3 years and still havnt touched tren trying to work my way up to it i guess. needless to say had ive not done research i wouldve brought that stuff from ol boy and probably couldve messed myself up pretty bad
AnonSgtstedanko, hey just wanted to thank you for the great post. It has raised some questions for my own dedication and readiness for a cycle.
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinksgtstedankoThank you. I'm glad. That's partially why I wrote it... There's always tomorrow.
With all the action that has gone on I think the subject of this forum has gone a little un noticed I think.
Its a good read with alot of time and thinking behind it it seems. Definately a must read for those starting out or thinking on jumping on a cycle.
sgtstedankoThanks, brother. Yeah, It a subject that has been in my mind a lot lately. It was building up for like a month. There's always 20 something year old know nothing know it all kids, popping off on here about cycles that they have no business running. & when they don't get a slap on the ass saying good job sparky, pin that shit, bro. They get all pissy. I think if I could somehow condense it into a few paragraphs, it would maybe be stickyd. Truth is, no one likes to read that long, & I'm convinced lots of the intended audience let it go in 1 ear & out the other. So to speak. Man, I tell ya. If you'd have led w/this response, you'd have like 20 points, probably : ) Thanks again. & I think you're right about my posts merit. I honestly thought I'd be arguing w/some of the kids on here. I at least hope they read it?
hahaha....yeah all that reading made my head hurt and eyes sore. I figured out how to get points, just gotta post up some pics
Why cant I make a comment without getting gang raped? Ok I didnt agree with everything Sgt said but It was not intended as disrespect to him. All im saying is that ive got a different opinion on things, isnt that what forums are about? The discipline involved with training and eating right commands respect it doesnt matter if your natural or juiced. Out of principal i respect anyone committed to training, eating right or even living a healthy lifestyle because I know its hard but you have decided to go down that path by choice. Its not a bad thing that i "rocked the boat". There are more members then the elite 50 or so and we are all entitled to our own opinions (for the most part). As a "community" i feel on the outer already, my Karma is -12