+ 12 Guys wtf are we all doing???
So one of my close friends and training partner is an ifbb pro. He's 3 weeks out right now from his show so i bring up the subject of whats your off season cycle going to look like? He's 5'9 steps on stage around 250lbs sub 4% bf so hes a big big guy. His offseason cycle is going to be 4ius of gh, 750mg of test and 600mg of eq, because he "heard from another guy that there is no additional benefit going any higher then 600." On top of that he said " I might even bring the eq down to 400mg." So this is a dude who walks around offseason at 275 and hes running a little over a gram of gear. And dont bother saying hes lying hes a very close friend of mine. So at this point hes got his size so I'm thinking to myself he must have ran some heavy cycles back in the day to get to where hes at so i ask him. He says we used to run 2 10 week test deca cycles a year, 2mls of each per week. So I'm thinking ok 500mg of test 500mg deca. He says no, back then everything was pharm grade 100mg/ml, so his cycles were 200mg of test and 200mg of deca for 10 weeks twice a year. Oh and hes never ever used insulin before in his life. Its sad 99% of us are running more gear then an ifbb pro, myself included at times. Some of the bigger dudes here are running 4-5 times what hes running, but this guys a professional and at 10% bf ( He would never let himself get above 6% ever) he'd be close to 300lbs. He's old school when it comes to diet, really low fat, moderate carbs and HIGH protein, I'm talking 600-700 grams a day everyday.
Moral of the story, i think almost all of us need to take a step back and look at our diets, training and sleep, and most importantly be patient. Building a quality physique takes years and years of hard work and dedication. Not 1 heavy winter bulker.
What do you guys think about this? genetics of the gods? Super responder to gear? crazy discipline when it comes to diet training and rest? Its not the gear cause hes running the same stuff alot of us are using.
I just wanted to share this with you and show you not all pros are running huge amount of gear, this guys running what we would consider a intermediate cycle, but you bet your ass hes gonna grow like a weed this offseaon on those doses.
That is all.
Btw I'm trying to get him on here, he says he wants to but hes an older dude, not to computer savy so one day ill help him make an account and show him how to navigate the site so he can share everything with us. His knowledge comes from first hand experience no reading forums. As he said when he started him and his friends were "guinea pigs", there was no internet, only what others were saying and trial and error.
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First and foremost I’m in 1000% percent agreement that the number one priority is food and training and recovery. So anyone with something to say about this subject who doesn’t have those three pillars dialed in has an invalid opinion. Drugs don’t make up for shitting the bed in those three areas, particularly training and diet. I have a buddy who’s a freak who doesn’t run crazy cycles. I have no doubt he’ll earn his pro card in the next couple years. With that being said, genetics are the number one determining factor of your ultimate ceiling and your response to drugs. Some people take 300 mgs of test and grow tits. Some people can take a gram with no ai. Some people grow like a weed from 600mgs of test. Some people hit their stride at 1.2g. With that being said I think there’s a lot more great bodybuilders who are running 2+ grams of gear than there are running less than. Regardless, most people need to learn what true intensity is in the gym and learn how to eat before thinks of adding mgs. I literally read a comment today of someone saying they struggled to get 2 liters of water in a day. Imo that person hasn’t earned the right to use steroids unless it’s prescribed trt. So for most people I think adding more gear is the last thing they need. However, for those who take this serious and train their fucking ass off, to the point where people look at them weird in the gym, and are locked in on their nutrition, where they can go months without deviating from their plan. When you know how to manage side effects and are mindful of your health- more is more. To a point.
Some are gifted no doubt about it but on top of that, disciplined in all other aspect like eating, workouts, street and sleep management just like what you mentioned
Who fucking pussy negged this shit? This is a legit post about safe cycling
I'm digging the message irongame. I think a lot of it has to do with genetics. Some folks are just huge and will always be huge. A cat I work with is 6'2 and 245 all day. I saw his high school prom pic and aside from his mullet the dude looked like a fucking beast at 17. His neck looked like a brahma bulls. He's massive. He's 53 now and looks better than a lot of the adv and exp users here. Fuck he looks better than me for sure. The dude is on 200mg of TestCyp all year and his blasts are 400mg Cyp and 200mg Deca and 20mg of dbol. That's it!!
For me my genetics are weird. I can add mass like crazy but have to kill myself to cut. It's just the way it is. I can grow on trt and I can grow on nothing. My issues lie in the fact that my dads side of the family are fat. My paternal grandmother was 400lb+. My maternal side are all athletes and mesomorphs. I'm stuck in limbo. So I've basically ran with it.
I like a cost/benefit balance since I'm not a competitive BB. Also a balance between being outright obsessed and just simply being dedicated. My wife doesn't like it when I am mentally not present in my home life cuz I'm overly focused on my cycle. what I'm good with is using my genetics and mixing some knowledge and experience to shape my cycles and fitness blueprint. There is good in moderation but your goals have to be adjusted to it.
I think it's easier to decide if you're a TRT guy like me. Your options are much more wide open. As long as you take counter measures to mitigate the risks I don't have an issue with anyone running as much gear as they want. But they must be educated and versed in supplements and medication and overall human anatomy and biology. Personally I need a higher dosage than typically promoted around here. I produce zero test naturally so I do what I have to do. After years of gear I do what works with me. Not any other way. Fuck the propaganda you read daily on here. Don't do what the next guy does just because you read it posted a 1000x a day here. Running gear is an individualistic thing and must be used uniquely to suit your DNA. Obviously some methods are proven but the dosages vary per each user. Experience is critical. Know your shit folks. Be prepared to help yourself or others for that matter.
I think there is a lot to be said of anabolic thresholds and over saturation of the receptors and cycling efficiently to get continued growth. Also don't discount muscle maturity and length of years lifting experience dictates a lot of our potential. Diet and proper feed times also can unlock some hidden doors for folks. It's a combo of things but really your genetic make up is a huge facet of it. That's my humble opinion anyhow.
Yup you're right there are just some genetic freaks out there, couple that with 38 years of consitent diet and training plus great genetics and this is what happens. I have a friend like yours to except he's natural, he trains but doesn't really know what he's doing. Bulking for him means adding bacon to every meal and cutting means the light weight high rep myth lol. He eats about twice a day and drinks like s fish. Despite all that he walks around at 6'2 235lbs probably 8% bf full popping 6 pack. I have no doubt that if he got on diet plan or had a coach watch over him he could get up to 255-260 naturally. I mean if the guy sits at a lean 235 eating 2 meals a day and barely training imagine what a consistent structured diet and training program could do for him over a few short years. Then add some gear down the road and this dude could easily be a 300lb monster.He comes from a family with multiple pro athletes. He's got some crazy genetics.
this guy I was talking about in this post eats on a 24hr schedule, unlike most of us who just eat when we're awake. He wake up at night multiple times to eat. He's literally been on a contest prep diet for 10 years straight now meaning that strict , that's how he walks around at 6% year round. He's got 4 decades of training, perfect genetics, perfect diet and training, and crazy muscle maturity. his life revolves around it. And that makes him happy.
As for your genetics I'm the exact opposite, I can easily cut but adding muscle Is the hard part. And you're right running gear is highly individualistic, what worked for him probably won't work for me or many others, and what works for me probably isn't optimal for the next guy. The key is to find what works best for our body.
Nice post Carlos good to see you back you've been missed.
nyerk332I just worked out with some samoans yesterday , he was 6'2 at 275 and can barely bench 275 lol
Nice post brother each of us has to deal with our god given genes and adjust accordingly diet, training, gear
I agree now that I've done the "more is better thing" when I was an idiot. Abuse is never a good thing. I'm no bodybuilder by any means but I will tell you I sit around 285-290 on basically just test at 500mgs. I'll throw in tren or eq at times when I feel my body has recuperated and my mind is fresh. I started off at 160lbs the most aggressive cycle I've ever done being sustanon @1000 mgs...tren @ 800mgs eq @ 1000mgs and I think mast @ 600mgs. In the beginning I felt great but then felt like shit as the cycle wore on. Had to use more drugs to counteract sides and it just became taxing. To each their own but I want to live more than just into my fifties. We aren't promised tomorrow but we can live smart for the day. Bodybuilders I believe are the only people warranted mass use if they so desire...they live the life! Alot of us think we do but I'm pretty sure I couldn't hold a candle next to their commitment...anyway lift hard guys
I've heard it said, "remove all the gear, and the guy who takes first place on stage would take first place anyways."
However, @irongame, I think the success your friend has built with his physique is a perfect example of "slow cooking makes good eating."
(The saying goes with a lot of important things in life. "The best way to get rich quickly is to get rich slowly over time." In this case, "the best way to quickly build an amazing physique is to do it year after year after year.")
StevebI don't get what the two people had against this post that thumbed it down.
It was enhancedlife, he's a gh15 follower so he believes the way to grow is to first run mass amounts of tren a year round until low singles and then add grams of long estered test huge amounts of "equipona" 200- 300mg of anadrol ed and huge amounts of hgh and insulin. And diet doesn't matter one can reach 6% bf eating crap all day. He can't believe some people are genetic freaks and over 4 decades going slow and steady can build this type of physique I described because gh15 says it's impossible to get over 200 lean without those massive cycles. Not sure who else negged it.
All I can say is just do what you want. You're a grown man as anyone here and entitled to run cycles how you'd like. I hope this works out for you. Good luck in your muscle building journey
StevebIs Gh15 a member here or is that some kind of cycle?
It's a restricted access website for advanced bodybuilding .
I agree with everything you said 100% and I believe your buddy. People are obsessed with bulking and cutting bulking and cutting. The trick is to consistently clean bulk all year round and then "cut" for a contest. There's no bulking or cutting there's just living the bodybuilding lifestyle.
Your right patience dedication and learning your body. The gear is a minute part of bodybuilding.
I always tell people why cut if your not doing a show an they all say the same thing "bro I just want my abs" lol
I agree with your post +1 for you and your buddy
the message being sent here is noble and while being very full of a good cause and great intentions,,,, it is also extremely naive and gullible at best.
Has anyone ever been on another board where BFG himself has shed light on the lifestyles of an IFBB pro,.. Now there is a man that knows the behind the scenes inside and out and trust me the numbers would make you cringe
Wow. Some of you guys really missed the point here. Nowhere did I say this is what all ifbb pros take. This is just what worked for my friend. If you wanna see some other cycles from some high level pros I'll post it but I don't think it's a very responsible thing to do with kids reading this forum. If a mod doesn't care I'll post one.
And I've read bfgs cycles with 100s of ius of slin 30ius of gh 10-15mg of increlex ed 15grams of gear a week. I've read most of the posts on getbig.
Point not missed, I get it. I hate these tools promoting mega doses. Its outrageous and not necessary most of the time. I never suggest anything over 1000mg to non competitors that are veterans to the game and always suggest 500mg or less for a first cycle. Getting your immediate gains conservatively is the smartest choice by far.
On the flip side however,... to sustain and maintain 250 lb sub 5% body-fat on a 5;9 frame taking 1000mg per week is simply a MATHEMATICAL IMPOSSIBILITY.
I tend to agree. I'm a competitive BB (mass monster) and even when the shows I'm doing for the year are done, I let my BF rise to about 10%. To maintain my 265 lbs. on my 5' 9" frame requires 1 g / wk. of Test all year long. I am also on TRT (doctor prescribed). Long story. For the folks I know in the pros as well as NPC guys, 1,000 mg or test per week constant cruise is not that bad for a LEGITIMATE TRT patient.
Personally, I would love to get my balls working again but that isn't going to happen. To this post - drug use in pro bodybuilding varies widely and I know enough people I see wild high use of drugs, to a level that we would endorse here. It's all over the place really and you can't publish any pro cycles and say this is representative of what they do.
Eroids has the safest information of all the boards and as someone mentioned earlier, its a board with its primary function to evaluate what is out there and to educate.
Of course, its only normal that curiosity gets the best of us and discussions will take place on subjects such as ''what do the pros use'' but for the sake of our integrity the solution perhaps may be not to discuss this sensitive subject in detail rather then promote delusional information that gives false hope and compromises the ''KEEPING IT REAL''aspect that EROIDS is known for, Some subjects are best left alone.
Why even say a pro takes this when'
A).... You can not prove you know a pro and had a conversation with and
B).... Even if you could verify it, You would never know to what degree he is hiding his intake as is the norm among bodybuilders for obvious reasons.
I consider myself as an authority on this subject and have some credentials to back me up, which I would not display in open forum but perhaps to a mod via PM, as I would not want my identity known on here,... however going into depth on the matter here on EROIDS is a very bad idea.
I Will say this though, 1000mg of test is the norm among competitive bodybuilders that compete over 200lb. This is not cycled as it is year round as a base.
A) pro bodybuldes are not like pro basketball, baseball, football players etc, every gym I've been a member of has atleast one. Pro bb or baseballs players, never seen one in person besides watching a game. My gym has 3 thay train their regurally, one being my friend, the other two I would never ask what they use. But youre trying to tell me one of my closest friends and mentor is gonna lie to me?
My answer to question b, I actually can know exaclty what he's taking, I won't tell you how, it's not something I want to post in the open, but we can take this discussion to pm if you would like.
This guy is not the norm, he's an big time outlier on the distribution curve.
No offence bro but this story I have heard 100 times in my life and not once have I believed in even one of them, that is the nature of it, that's the way it works. You are free to continue, I mean nothing to you and my opinion should be taken as nothing more then gibberish as I mean no harm or disrespect.
to answer your question though.... YES, i do think he would lie to you, humans tend to do that unfortunately
Thanks bro, I wasn't trying to shock anybody. That's exactly what I take. You have good information bro. That's a really small detail and one that seems you are personally familiar with. LOL
I sent you a FR.
Impressive knowledge bro for sure +2
accepted your request brother. You too have great info, always read your posts
Truth there.
I'm no pro but I've competed at a decent level. My cycles are comparatively tame considering those that I compete against and I don't think anyone on here except a select few have much of a handle on what I run, (with good reason).
RustyhookerNoone is going to open up Pandora box. I think it's good to push hard as possible with as lil gear as possible. But dimishing returns will kick in sooner or later. I started miniscule doses so that I didn't need a monster cycle to still enjoy it.
But there will always be those that can only grow with overabundance of chems.
People there are exceptions to everything there are a very select few people that are genetic freaks .. But again it's s very select few that are truly gifted
Right so if irons friend is that .01% exception, then none of us should be following his advice because we Would never see the same results. Case closed
Exaclty, he is that .01% exception. I was not giving advice other then the main focus needs to be on diet and training, I was sharing the true life experience of an ifbb pro. What worked for him will most likely not work for me, or you. But then again let's say he started at 170 40 years ago and he's 250 now, that's 2lbs of muscle a year. If you're paitent those gains can be achieved over 4 decades without running massive cycles.
This is just a real life story I wanted to share with everyone, that not all pros are running massive amounts of gear. It took him 32 years to get that pro card, and build up to 250. the guys who are getting there cards at 21-28 etc are a lot of times running huge amounts of gear slin growth pharm grade igf-1 and everything else under the sun. But with patience comes longevity and health.
Everyone here knows they need to focus more on training and dieting that isn't some revolutionary knowledge you're dropping . Bodybuilding advice should not be taken from the genetic elite 1% simply because what they do will NEVER work for you. I want advice from someone who understands the struggle of normal genetics. Their insight on making it to the top would be much more beneficial.
Bro, we know what it's gonna take with our normal or in my case sub par genetics. And even knowing what it's gonna take I still dort think I'll eever step on stage at 250lbs. That is unless I can get my hands on a lot of increlex. Or better, legit kigtropin which we will never ever get again.
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I made some of my best gains and improvements on 150 a week, when I blast the highest I have been was 600 a week. He may be telling the truth because on my script which is obviously pharma it is consistent. When you deal with a ugl its not going to always be consistent because of raws and scammers so you do have guys here pumping mega doses in their system to only get minimal results and they lie about their diet or training. Fuck I used to blame the gear until I stepped back and started watching more closely my diet and training and on 300 a week I busted a few plateaus. My arms went from 17 and a half to 18, my lifts were not heavy on the bench but i gained a half inch and my v is much bigger. My quads and hamstrings also started to define.
o I have been preaching more is not better for 2 fkn years and noone really listens but I saw it was working for me so I preached it. Could I see even better results? Absolutely if I dial in my diet better not dial in a bigger dose or add a bunch of orals and tren. Seriously its aas abuse and its been running wild. Tren is a competitors tool to get them ready for stage but people here are using it as a recreational drug and taking massive doses, does anyone believe that the harshest drug you put in your body is not going to fuck you up? I remember when 400 a week of ace was the limit now everyone is on 750 or more. AAS abuse, more is fkn not better
Not to steel your glory brother. But your 100 percent correct on this matter.
I as well have made my best gains of muscle on my script dose
All the glory remains on you, shows its about how you commit yourself and how you know your own body.
lol i just realised i have been taking half the dose i thought i was taking in for the last 4 weeks, im in fkn shock, i need to pay more attention on my dosing, but its because i have a broken leg and a brain injury, i have not been all with it, lets just say the dose i thought i was taking, to what ive actually been taking i have been really impressed with the gains, now im fkn astonished, i just had a pin 5 minutes ago, i realised, 3ml barrels not 5ml, so my doses have actually been very moderate, maybe even too low with the deca, lowest dose of deca ive actually ever used, will i up the dose to compensate? nope, just means ill have plenty of juice too last me, i cant comprehend it lol, sitting here telling the misses shes like you do realise i dont understand what this all means, its going over my hed lmao.
you taught me yeras ago to lower my dose and less compounds, i bettered my diet and it worked. i did do a hefty front load on this one but still, im amazed.
very good quality gear though.
Good shit man! I knew from your posts and from your progress more would not help and lower doses would give you a better outcome, Can;t wait to see the progress Bromate
Exaclty, he would tell me about the days when he would take 200mg of pharm grade test and get strong as an ox. Some pharm grade test and pgarm grade deca in low doses honestly is probably the same as 500mgs of each of most of these ugls. There is a point of diminishing returns, where the body just can't use all one puts into it. Great post +2
I have done lots of Pharm grade test and the last 3 ug test I have done have produced stronger gains per cc, perhaps they were overdosed or whatever but pharm grade is not the golden horse,,, magic hocus pocus its made out to be,,... sorry
The bloods we have all seen shoot the whole pharma versus UGL argument down.If anything more often than not the UGL is overdosed.
StevebYes but with Anavar and Primo you're still better off going with pharma grade. Those seem to be faked or under dosed a lot.
Faked a lot by which lab ? The analysis so far shows the bigger ugls are putting out legit product ... Check out the latest reports on anaboliclab.com
The big labs are definitely putting out some legit product. I sent in some primo E that was analyzed by SIMEC and came back 100% legit and properly dosed.
Ya bro, I forgot you were gonna do a primo cycle. Don't forget to let us know what you think when u r done.
I saw that to, a lot of perfectly dosed var out there right now that our sources sell.
StevebLOL dude there is no Primo tested there yet and it is well known that it is faked a lot. And the Anavar there is only from a few labs out of thousands around. There are labs there that had 0 Oxandrolone in their Anavar.
I agree with you but all we can pull bloods for is test. Not nandrolone, primo eq tren dbol anadrol etc. only way we can test that is with MS HPLC, which is extremely costly especially if you want to test a number of different compounds.
That is particularly the case with things like orals. First time I ran anavar they were 2.5mg pills. I think I took 2 of them 3 times per day. That's 15mg per day. I've taken 150mg of "modern day" var, doesn't even come close.
Yup Ive heard about those in the late 80s. 15mgs back then was extremly powerful. Giving guys nose bleeds and shit. I seemed to have found some good var, 30mg ed is plenty. I've seen recent tests on var with it 10mg pills actually containing 10mgs, but guys Are still taking 50-100mgs ed. How does that make sense. Wouldn't that really mess you if 15mg of real var was that powerful?
X2...no complaints here....i just use provi, exemestane, and lower dose test along with eagle eye BW...