posted Wed, 10/15/2014 - 15:23
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Doing TRT & thinking of switching to "underground" gear
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So I have been doing TRT through a doctor for 10 months, and am thinking of switching to testosterone and cycling through other various sources.
My stats: 5'11'' 205lbs 12%bf. Currently using 160 units of test cyp every 7 days, and 6iu's of hygetropin 5 days a week.
My questions are:
Benefits or drawbacks to switching?
Any recommendations on the best way to transition over or best test to start with?
Thanks in advance for all thoughts and advice.
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@reilly480, any updates on this post? It's almost a year old, I know, but I'm curious to see how your adventures have progressed. Please update us when you have time!
I brew my own gear. It's much cheaper.
I'm trying to figure out if you're doing some self promotion to try and sell gear by mentioning it here ??
I saw in one of your other posts, that you said by brewing you knew exactly what you had, if you start with bunk powder you end up with bunk gear.
By dealing in raw powders, you run the risk of not simple possession, but intent to manufacture and distribute. ( or whatever the legal terms are)
But skipping to the bottom line, what this thread is all about, by having a prescription tag/sticker attached to your gear,....... ..PRICELESS !!!!!!!!
I've been on TRT for 7 years, but considering stepping it up and going under ground, as it's costing Me a fortune !
I'm on TRT, no insurance involved, .......cost less than $25.00 US per month.
ETA: 1+ ml of Watson Test Cyp @ 200 mg/ml per week.
Are you going to your GP? It can't be an TRT clinic at that price.
Yes, GP.
Fat fingered you a +1, lol
Thanks for that.
I'm seeing my GP next week, I came in at 103 on my bloods this week. :(
Is your goal to grow or to maintain adequate test levels?
BullyLabsReilly, I have a friend that is in the union and has jam up insurance. He was on Dr. prescribed Test ( I didn't ask him what kind) but it still cost him $120 a bottle. He thought well. its 200mg pharma grade, so that's cool. Well, when they finally got his Test levels where they wanted he was having to take 2 injections a week. That wasn't bad, but since he travels that became an issue since he had a hard time going to the pharmacy, so he started buying his Test from ????? for $40 a pop and 300mg an injection. His levels are higher than when he was on the pharma grade Test. Of course, Im sure when you start going the UGL route you really have to trust your source. Having said that, that is what is great about ERoids, you can doing all the homework you need in a relatively short time. Good luck and if you have any questions, hit me up. Thanks
I agree Bully. What I didn't understand when I started this thread, was that I could get pharma grade test still. Just had to do some research. Taking the same quality I did when I was on TRT. Now just get my blood tests separately and it's been a great shift for me.
BullyLabsObviously, if you can get pharma grade that is the way to go, however; pharma grade test is all you are going to get. When it comes to nandrolone decanoate, Oxandrolone, stanozolol, etc., no Dr in the US in going to prescribe that unless you have the $'s. I used to take (prescribed) Androgel. I didn't like it. I had to put it on my shoulders, which caused my shirt to stick to my massive shoulders (JK...lol) Of course, I had to be careful around my daughters and wife. Im also a Physical Therapist, so I had to be very careful when transferring patients. I tried to get the doc to give me, or let me give myself injections, but they wouldn't, so finally OI said the hell with it.
Just to be clear, testosterone is TRT, ........ .. deca, oxy, etc are NOT TRT.
BullyLabsKMC, that is correct; Testosterone Replacement Therapy (TRT). It is synthetic test that is used to get your test levels back to normal.
Synthetic isn't the right world. Big difference is whether its bio-identical or not.
UPDATE: I did switch away from the TRT clinic. But I am buying pharma grade cyp, and not UGL stuff. Multiple sources sell it. Very happy with the switch. And with me pinning myself, it actually is nearly painless, unlike the clinic. A few of those nurses really sucked at it. lol
Just because it is ugl, doesnt mean it isn't sterile or dosed correctly.
But there is no guarantee that it is.
My UGL source is G2G and is Fire! The source is my "BRO" and he said it's guaranteed that all his gear is On Point! That's all I need... ;-)
If you stick around long enough, you will notice a reaccurring event,............ all of a sudden, overnight, a Source will disappear, sometimes, only to be read about in the "NEWS" section. My point is there is no guarantee your source will be the same tomorrow,.......... or next week, month, year. Just the nature of the beast.
How true.
When i was on trt I paid for it. Example, one bottle of test would cost me 250. If your insurance is paying for it, man stay on the pharm trt. UGL anything you want to add, but hell yes get the good pharm grade your insurance is paying for, no brainer.
Just last month I got 2x 10 ml's of Watson test cyp for less than $85 total ( cash,...no insurance ). I can't name the source but they have a store in most towns, nation wide, they also have a sign out front with a big red "W" on it. You my friend need to shop better and quit getting ripped off,.......... it is people like you that give "juiceheads" a bad name.
Shop better? WTF are you talking about? I had no choice, I was going through a TRT clinic, that's how they make their money. No legit doctor was going to give me a script for TRT at that time, but a clinic will give anyone over 35 a script for TRT, but their script from their pharmacy. You my friend need to find out what the fuck you're talking about before you type.
Also, if you have a script for it, the place you get it is legit, why can't you name the source? That's called LEGAL.
Yes, use goodRX to compare cash prices.
I have anthem PPO. It does not cover injectables, only gels. However, I buy the "w" store discount gift cards at 15 percent off. So a Watson CYP 10ml vial is net $38 bucks using the goodRX discount.
So if you are paying more than $44 cash price for pharm grade CYP in the U.S. , you're doing something wrong.
As far as UGL, for long reliance yes sterility would be my number one concern
Baldur2630Every year, several hundred people pass their Med School exams and become 'doctors',. These guys are taught what the medical profession needs them to know. The big pharma conglomerates, give them all manner of presents to push their products.
So, what do you think would happen if suddenly everyone became healthy? What would the doctors do? What would the Medical Schools do? What would the pharma conglomerates and the Dick Cheneys of this world do?
The medical profession DO NOT WANT YOU TO BE HEALTHY. It isn't in their best interests. Treat the SYMPTOMS, not the disease. Keep them on pharma grade pills at 10 times the price that it could be sold at.
I was a veterinarian. Veterinary meds are in a lot of cases more pure than the equivalent human grade and they are less than half the price IF you are a Vet. I paid 0.75c for a rabies injection and the recommended change was the equivalent of $20. How much skill is needed to push a needle under the skin and press the plunger?
Back then, Doxycycline (pharma) cost almost $4.00 per capsule. The Vet grade was actually more pure and cost 30c (if you were a vet). You could charge whatever you liked to dispense it, plus the cost of the visit. I got so sick of the rip off, I gave up veterinary medicine altogether.
Whilst individual doctors MAY want to 'cure' you, they were taught in college NOT to do so, hence the ban on Testosterone, HGH and anything else that actually WORKS.
I use the UGL stuff, fuck the corrupt medical profession. Sometimes I wonder if even blood results are cooked by the labs and blood work is about the only thing doctors are good for. I swear by acupuncture, (but alas, many of these are charlatans as well), look for Tan Wu Bian practitioners. Herbs are also good for treating problems.
Dick and all the other fat rip off pharma companies can shove their mess where the sun don't shine. I'm 74, I don't take pills, don't use doctors (except for blood tests) and I bake in the sun and do everything I shouldn't. I feel like 25, people guess my age at under 50, and I'm as randy as a rabbit. I love life. FUCK THE DOCTORS AND THEIR MEDS.
I use pharma grade test cyp for the trt, and when I cycle/blast I usually change to another ester like enanthate, and use ugl stuff. My insurance covers the trt, so it's much cheaper to use that for as much as I can.
It me it all comes down to money. I can spend 3,000 a year at the mens clinic or spend 300 dollars at UGL for a years supply. If my insurance covered it then that would be a differnt story. Still though the amount of time is ridiculous to get into the clinic. The couple that are here where I live won't let you take the medicene home. You have to go to them. It's a racket IMO
I'll be glad to have some pharma grade test man. WAY BETTER than ugl
Why replace? Supplement.
Use your TRT dose as your base and add to it.
Sounds like this is your first cycle, stick with testosterone, you're taking about 250 mg per week add another 250 per week to start with.
Do more research on esters, testosterone, other compounds and half lives. I'd recommend sticking with testosterone... the choice of ester is yours -Research
Doc has me on test cyp now. I have multiple friends in the area that made the switch and say they like it better.
I'm just trying to get thoughts and impressions. And Irongame, no I would not switch to that low quality of test. There are many many different types of test obviously, with varying levels of quality.
Made the switch to what exactly? Pharma to UGL? test-C to Test-e or test-P? to tren?
There is only one kind of test... several types of esters (obviously)
It's still all inferior to us pharm grade when it comes to sterility. Sure you can find a nice ugl who gets raws that are incredibly pure. But in no way shape or form can you compare the manufacturing process and conditions it's made in. Use your Pham stuff for your trt and if you want to cycle then consider some ugl gear.
::::::scratches his temple in confusion:::::::
Wait...so what does your trt doc have you on now?
Wait so you want to switch from American pharmaceutical grade testosterone to testostrone made in someone's basement on a hot plate???
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