Thoughts on using Nolva/Clomid post PCT
Hey guys,
I cycled a TEST E Only cycle in May 2014. for 12 weeks, it was 600mg of test weekly.
I ran a proper AI along with just the standard Novla/Clomid PCT that is posted on this forum.
I got Blood work done BEFORE any steroid cycles at all and my testosterone was like 29.1
About 4 months after the PCT I got bloods done again noticed my testosterone dropped to 22.1.
Now everything feels ALRIGHT like I can get hard no problem, masturbate daily, when I'm with a chick I can go probably 2-3 rounds at most.
HOWEVER only thing that concerns me is that my Facial hair isn't growing near as fast as it did PRE CYCLE.
I used to shave once weekly (that was the sweet spot) now to get to that sweet spot I have to shave like every 1.5-2 weeks.
I ALSO notice that my recovery time to hit the gym for a same muscle is noticeably longer. My buddies who haven't cycled all are ready to hit back for example but for me I feel like I need an extra day or two.
The Good News: I feel like slowly my natty test is increasing over time. Like very slowly. However it's been a YEAR now since that cycle and so I'd like to see my Natty test increase just a bit more..
I have some left over NOLVA/CLOMID. and I was wondering if it would hurt anything to just to go on a low amount of each just for a few weeks see if I can spark my balls just a little more as that's all I need.
Thanks guys.
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Good to see that you're feeling better after use of clomid. But I would go for a follow up blood test in another 4-6 weeks to check everything is back to normal.
Clomid has a half life of 5-7 days which means it can stay in your system for a few weeks. Also since your bloods now show you are above pre cycle test levels it does suggest that the clomid may still be in your system. You should definitely do a follow up.
Hey guys just wanted to give a quick yall and update for those who may have similar problems or anything.
So all I did was run clomid @ 100mg/day for 10 days. I instantly (like the next day felt WAY better, I thought it could be placebo so I didn't wanna start saying much. Anyways after the 10 days I waited about another 10 days and got bloods run, my Total T came back at 50!!! (Range is 9-27) my doctor is like... WTF are you on steroids? I just told him I'm taking natural test boosting shit from GNC basically, hes like okay...
Anyways, it's been like about 3 weeks now since I stopped the Clomid, 100mg/day. Feel fucking soooooo much better.... My facial hair is back on point like growth wise. I'm horny as shit like constantly, I absolutely love women again (which I always used to) and I'm taking absolutely nothing right now other than Vitamin D.
I really fucked up taking the bloods that soon after the Clomid but I didn't really have a choice (personal life issues going on) but whatever, I know I feel good, my appetite is outstanding, even in the gym I have hella energy.
So all and all, if you forget to PCT boys, I don't think it can be too late, run it!
Lesson learned for me big time. Cheers!
LOL. Here's a simple question. At what time was the the 1st test taken? At what time was the 2nd test taken?
power pct time, all pharm drugs, clomid, nolva, aro, hcg a long with natural supps like daa, testofen.
hey, thanks for the reply.
from the power PCT, in your opinion, is HCG necessary? I mean my FSH and LH levels seem to be fine.. So therefore I don't think I would need to use HCG and instead just run regular nolva + clomid protocol for a month?
Thoughts?
thx
yeah mate, give it a shot then, clomid and nolva,
clomid- 100-50-50-50
nolva- 40-40-20-20-20
see how you go, is your estrogen ok? if not run aromasin for the first ten days also 12.5 mgs a day.
yeah my estrogen came back lower after cycle so I should be fine, I don't have any high estro related things as far as I can tell
I'm doing
clomid 100-100-50-50
nolva 25-25-25-25
my nolva in 25mg capsules.. do you think 25mg is fine?
I already started this like 4 couple days ago, like honestly idk if its fucking placebo or what, but I actually already feel like way better with more energy and I'm horny as shit constantly. lol I just hope it stays after treatment...
There are two types of testosterone, free and total.
Free test is a measure of active non bound testosterone, this is the more important value of the two.
Total test is a measure of all present testosterone, however most of it is bound by SHBG (sex hormone binding globulin). This prevents it from actually doing much in your body.
You levels are fairly normal, I'm just sure you mixed the two up.
Now on to your weight, your fairly light for being 6'5". Eat more! You can't grow without fuel.
I don't think I mixed them up haha..
But based upon what you said,
Because he didn't test me for my Free Testosterone after my cycle (fuck that's kinda shitty since you said it was the more important value)
That could be scary because maybe I'm sitting around the 200's now??
This leads me to think that maybe I need to get tested again (Which would most likely be impossible as coming up with reasons to get docs to test my Test is probably gunna be an issue since they've done it twice now, (lol))
Any other thoughts other members?
Thanks
This is the link to that article: http://www.mayomedicallaboratories.com/test-catalog/Clinical+and+Interpr...
If you live in the US you can always order a blood panel online and go to a walk in lab. Best of luck bro.
opticxYou are 6,5 at 215 brother? and please post your blood work because if your at 29.1 total testosterone you are basically completely shut down. Also has your diet changed since your cycle? a decrease in nutrients from your diet can definitely effect hair growth.
Also we need to see your lsh and fsh levels to see if your testicles are even working properly. Post bloods and we will help
Sorry it's labeled "Testosterone" on my blood work sheet. Pre cycle it was 27.1 and the bloods I took in December it was 21.9 (Normal ranges are 8.0-29)
My free testosterone pre cycle was 549 (175-700) and for some reason the doc never tested my Free testosterone post cycle just "Testosterone" I assume they are closely related?
My diet hasn't really changed, if anything I MAYBE eat less food now, then I was prior, but I don't think its by that much...
LH + FSH PRE CYCLE: 6 + 3 (1-9 normal range)
LH + FSH POST CYCLE: 6 + 2 (1-18 normal range)
I also had my Estradiol levels checked as well:
Pre cycle: 144 (Normal range 0-160)
Post cycle: 105 (Normal range 0-160)
So its like both my natty test and estrogen levels went down by like 25% any ideas?
So like according to what I think it's like I haven't fully recovered by about 20-25% so like I just started taking ZMA last night hopefully to boost up some natural test. But as far as using the remained of Nolva/Clomid to also help me recover that 25% any recommendations?
Thanks guys.
opticxCan you just upload your bloods instead of copy and paste? also you much realize you are never guaranteed to fully recover yes? The bigger question is why are you touching gear at 6,5 215 pounds
I can't really upload them, I don't have a scanner? What I said is literally what it says on the paper.
Obviously I made a mistake touching gear, sure, but my question to you guys is what I asked, is it going to help/hurt taking small doses of PCT thing long after my original PCT?
I'm not planning on cycling again.
You Don't need a scanner just take a picture of the results and upload
opticxI wouldn't take a lose dose no, if I was to do it I would run the whole PCT again. But again like I already said, there is never a guarantee you'll ever be the same after cycle. Thats why the rule is generally aas over the age of 25 and be sure its worth the risk.