+ 1 Your HPTA doesn't last for ever...
I updated my profile and I thought it might make a good thread:
I've been lifting for 28 years. First tried steroids when I was too young to know any better but still managed to have kids. I remember being 18 and injecting Sustanon 250 into my glutes with a 19 gauge needle and feeling that steel tube slicing through my muscle fibres. I used tamoxifen for estrogen control but not for PCT. I didn't know about PCT in 1991.
Used tren just once. Gave me bacne, high cholesterol, an enlarged prostate that made me piss more often than a pregnant woman and a dangerous attitude. Now I stick to test and Eq based cycles. I like some nandrolone to keep my 40+ year old joints moving. No acne, cholesterol in check, pissing once a night and easy to be around.
Just over a year ago I did a Sustanon 250 cycle with anastrozole for AI. Three months after a standard tamoxifen/clomiphene PCT my testosterone levels didn't quite make it back to normal again. Then I did a test e and NPP cycle with aromasin and PCT did virtually nothing. Now I'm starting test e and Eq cycle with aromasin and looking down the barrel of TRT. Your HPTA doesn't last for ever...
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Is you issue the LH FSH production or your Lydeg cells are just desensitized?
Area-1255With how far science is coming, I wouldn't doubt new developments are in the near future that may expand the therapeutic options for HPTA rejuvenation.
I'm not sure why the lag, but I can say I've seen many notable progressions over the years.
Is trt really that bad at your age Man?
AnonIt's TRT not because my test levels are low due to my age but because my natty test is GONE.
And it means pinning for ever. Thankfully my wife does it for me but now she has to and for another 40 years.
Atleast your fortunate enough to know and can handle your own TRT for fraction of the cost of what most pay. Good luck bro. After my last bloods, I think im a blast and cruise guy from here on out as well.
Maybe you didn't recover because I don't see where you used caber or prami to control prolactin from using a 19 nor. If you run a 19 nor such as deca or tren and without caber or prami and run a standard pct you can pretty much bet your HTPA will not rebound because WHY? Prolactin still has you shut down and your negative feed back loop will be out of whack. Caber or prami is a HTPA saver when running 19 nors.
Prolactin control is necessary only if your estrogen is already elevated. Without excess estrogen, it is very unlikely that someone would develop high prolactin. Dopamine agonists like caber and prami are extremely harsh and will downregulate dopamine receptors if used for extended periods of time, resulting in anhedonia upon discontinuation. Always control estrogen first.
AnonI get regular bloods done. Had my last one 2 days ago. My prolactin has never been high. Especially not from 200mg of NPP per week. 23 years of AAS use might have more to do with my HPTA giving up.
Have you ever tried HCG along with clomid and nolvedex? It makes all the difference for me....or it used to.
I think you're correct. Years and years of the body readjusting and compensating for the use of exogenous hormones...having to switch off and back on...having started at such a young age...etc. Message for any young under 25 noobs reading this! Thanks for sharing!