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A little caution for the Juicer.

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So, the other day I was sitting on the shitter reading the Journal of Biological Chemistry (What now bitch?) and I came across a study in mice that linked the sudden drop in testosterone to Parkinson's disease. I thought this was interesting. Especially because it had something to do with testosterone. I love everything testosterone related.

In this particular study they found that the sudden drop in the levels of testosterone following castration is sufficient to cause persistent Parkinson's like pathology and symptoms in male mice.
Who gives a shit right? Well you should give a shit because when you go off cycle you experience a sudden drop in testosterone similar to that of castration. Right?

This could be setting the stage for Parkinson's disease.

This to me gives cause to reflect a little and think about how careful we need to be with this stuff. Parkinson's is a pretty nasty disease and I have reason to believe that this is something that all need to consider before cycling.

Be safe, be smart, and consider everything before you make the decision to juice.

Anyone have any thoughts on this?

All my love, no homo
Edward

epixs's picture

My ol' man has early onset Parkinson's , neurologist has put him on high dose prami for the dopamine antagonist effect. Is this publication on pubmed, would love to check it out.

As someone noted below, the correlation of dropping test relates to dopamine levels. However, at this point there really is not definite answer to what causes parkinson's, since many people have the onset early on as 20-30 years of age.

While I highly doubt that could be a primary reason, the disease is a nasty bitch. Seen my dad go from the energetic bad ass he was his whole life to 1/4 of it in the past year...one of the reasons I decided to go into medicine in the first place was to do more research on the diseases.

NoWeakAces's picture

When I read about the dangers of steroids, I gave up reading.

Pale's picture

Like I said earlier it is interesting but at the same time if it were true don't you think that it would have been all over the anti-steroid crowds radar? I would bet heavy cocaine use or getting punched in the head a lot will give you a better chance at parkinsons than Test. Richard Pryor, Robin Williams and Muhammad Ali come to mind.

For those of us that have chosen to tempt fate I still believe in PCT. I see the young guys reading this and immediately thinking just stay on (TRT) but the consequences of doing that at a young age could easily be just as bad, albeit different. No, I will avoid TRT as long as I can.

Engineereddisaster's picture

Yeah, I kind of thought the same thing. I'm very pro PCT. I may delete this just because I really don't want these young guys using it as a reason to castrate themselves. But just wanted it here as something to think about.

Pale's picture

I agree with Grimey, leave it up. Hopefully if they do get the idea they still see us saying no..

GRIMEY's picture

Dont delete it Ed. If someone is daft enough to use this thread to justify TRT at a young age thats just natural selection doing its thing. Its an interesting topic.

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baha's picture

X2 if guys my age are ignorant enough to do TRT because they read this then they shouldn't have ever touched gear. People will do what they want and find any excuse to do what they want, maybe they will try and use this as an "excuse" oh well it's on them.

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cmo25cent's picture

That's why knowing when to start you pct is imperative.

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irongame427's picture

That's really scary. Almost makes the old school taper/pyramiding method seem like a good idea. Atleast you won't be dropping from 4000+Ng:/dl to 0 it could be a much more gradual drop off with a taper.

Engineereddisaster's picture

I don't know man, perhaps.. Perhaps taper down to normal levels, and then doing what you can to get the nuts kicked back on as soon as possible.

I'd be interested to hear Vike Chime in on this, to see if he's noticed Parkinsons in juicers in all the years he's been juicing.

Trapsquatch's picture

Thats interesting But I would rather focus on the enlarging of the heart and Problems similar to that You know the thing that actually happens and kills a lot of bodybuilders at 30-40-50 years old =)
Genetics pre disposition(Hopefully used the right term LOL) is to blame for many diseases

Catalyst's picture

Makes total sense on a scientific level

Testosterone goes up - Dopamine goes up.
Testosterone goes down - Dopamine goes down.
(broadly speaking)

Parkinsons is partially contributed to the degeneration of dopaminergic neurons. Dopamine acts as a neurotransmitter and is responsible for cognition and motor functions amongst others, (hence the type of symptoms experienced by sufferers).

See the link here?

(I apologise for going into science geek mode)

Engineereddisaster's picture

Lol, never apologize for going into science geek mode. That's my specialty when I'm not killing hookers. Smile

humpnpump's picture

I wonder if doing a test prop taper at the end of cycle to steadily lower levels would make any difference.

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Engineereddisaster's picture

I don't know. I doubt it. there has to be that point when you cut it all off to kickstart the natty again.

Engineereddisaster's picture

I disagree. I think the goal would be to get natty back in line as fast as possible. Start cutting time off time and every cycle it will get harder and harder to recover.

VIKING EVOLUTION's picture

Squished just like a fkn bug!!.............................. eat this sucka!!

Engineereddisaster's picture

Wassup big V! I was just starting to have fun with the little fella.
Hey while you are here...

You have been around the BB scene for longer than anyone I know... Have you noticed above normal Parkinson's cases in the circles?

VIKING EVOLUTION's picture

Nah............ in Britain we dont have the same problem bro because most guys here believe in the thoughts of "if you are ON you are ON............ Why hammer the body to death by keep booting and re-booting by cycling?.... PCT is old hat.

Disclaimer.... This statement is a quote from what i hear on a daily basis NOT my personal view.

But!... whilst i am here i will rip the lid off a can of worms thats been bugging me lately... regarding the statement we hear every day here "be the turtle! the turtle wins the race!"......... REALLY? the only race a turtle will win is a fkn turtle race!!........ lmfao!

You know what i mean! safety first blah blah blah for 20fkn years to change nothing........ Anybody with proper guidance and strict protocols can come from NOTHING to stage ready when they take onboard RACEHORSE tactics.

Any turtles here fancy a race with me?............ fuck the turtle theory inside out im sick to fuck of reading that statement.

Sorry for changing the topic im in a wicked mood tonight.... i am overly impressed with my recent choice of gear its like going back in time lol

iFit's picture

No need to apologize. That right there is why I have always liked your posts and opinions.

Engineereddisaster's picture

Lmao. Where I come from, a turtle is when you have to shit really bad and you can't find a place to drop it and the turtle starts to peak his head out. I know for a fact that when you are turtling you aren't going to win any race unless it's to the shitter.

On a side note.... Now that I know that you hate the term "Be the turtle" I'm going to use that shit every day. Smile

VIKING EVOLUTION's picture

ok i have no probs with that bro.............. i have to go i have a hot chick dangling offa my sexy nerve in off topic! seeya later she is better looking than you lol

Engineereddisaster's picture

But bro, you said I was the only one!

rolltide3's picture

Maybe if u would get the eriod van cleaned up. The smell of dead hookers is overwhelming

irongame427's picture

God I love the way you think. I think I'm gonna move to Britain. I wish you write more bro not trying to nut hug here but you speak the truth.

VIKING EVOLUTION's picture

YOU my son............ are now the proud owner of some of the best gear on the fkn planet, use it well bro it will result for you........... i have actually shuttered my dosage down its thats fkn good!!

irongame427's picture

That's exactly what I wanna hear. I won't be going anywhere else from now on they're to good to me and the gear is fucking fire. I have a ton of there gear right now and I have the stong urge to hoard more.

Engineereddisaster's picture

Dear Dickrider,

If you are going to hijack my thread at least try to spell the easy words right. I would also appreciate it if you would complete your sentences. I don't think that I'm asking for too much here.
I realize that you are more than likely mentally challenged and I'm cool with that. However, as a mentally challenged person, sometimes it's important to know your role and shut your mouth.

All my love, no homo
Ed.

vhman's picture

My mom has had Parkinson's for quite some time and I know quite a bit about it. Never heard the testosterone link though. Never thought about teatosterone since my mom has it, but it's interesting since Parkinson's may have a genetic link that can be passed on. I'll look into it.
That being said, Parkinson's is a nasty, debilitating disease. If there are any steps we can take to lesson our chances of getting it, they're worth investigating.

Engineereddisaster's picture

Yeah, I thought it would be something for all of us juicers to think about.

Pale's picture

Yea, something to think about. But unlike castration we are only low , low T for a shirt time , providing we are using proper pct meds.

Gymjunkie01's picture

my doctor actually told me something similar to this when I had my boys removed. he said that it does put me a greater risk of Parkinson's but since it does not run in my family he said the elevated risk was minimal.

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humpnpump's picture

Lol you mean you had a vasectomy or did you actually cut you boys off?

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Gymjunkie01's picture

Cut off had testicular cancer

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rolltide3's picture

U deserve every bit of it u p.o.s.

humpnpump's picture

Oh I see.

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italian92101's picture

U dont joke on that shit!!!!!