+ 3 Prep for first show any advice
Hello, I'm doing my first comp. In a few months well it's in September... I'm about to begin a 8 week cut cycle.. waiting on a full recovery and my packages to land first... this is what my cut cycle looks like this...
Test P 125mg EoD
NPP 100mg EoD
Mast P 100mg Eod
Winny 50mg ED
HGH 6 IU ED
Aromasin 6.25mg EoD
caber .25 mg E3D
*side notes
I'm going to cut the test out the last 2 weeks, which gets rid of almost any water.
I might add in some T3 at 50 mcg ED
Going to drop the HGH 1.5 weeks out (holds Sub Q water)
NPP drop 1.5 weeks out - possible issue with water retention
A good friend help me build this cycle and he is a very prominent and respected individual of the eroid community... So I have sought advice on my cycle from more educated people..
I'm not looking for cycle advice, I thought it was relevant information due to the subject, but general advice that you may find beneficial to help give me the edge. This is my first show so I'm kinda worried, but I know I will dominate in the end....say it, believe it and achieve it... anyways any advice on carb loading, or sodium loading or depletion, possible tanning tricks to hide acne anything to help, would be a true blessing... I also read this...
Preparation H:
This trick doesn't work for everyone but it can't hurt to try. I know what you're thinking—yes, this is the same stuff you put on your butt when you have hemorrhoids. By applying Preparation H to your trouble areas that hold excess water, it pulls water out from under the skin. Again, this doesn't work for everyone, but it is worth a try if the day of the show is coming up and you still need to lose a little water."
Thank you eroids community for your help on making my dreams come true.
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mperkinsssyoull be running enough oils and high enough you should run clen while on the stuff. can never sacrifice contitioning for size! also drop the aro 3weeks out and run letro. youll have NO sex drive but it will help dry you the fuck out
Scrap the Prep-H idea. I was looking into that also when I was researching for my contest prep. Here is link to it.
https://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/preparation-h-for-cont...
As an alternative to Prep-H I came up with my own formula for a transdermal topical diuretic. Apply it 2-3X daily.
1 bottle of dandelion root extract
8 oz aloe vera gel
1 oz rubbing alcohol
Another variation I have is with DMSO if you are able to tolerate it.
1 bottle dandelion root extract
8 oz aloe vera gel
3 tablespoons DMSO (you can play with dosages here depending how sensitive you are to DMSO)
Dandelion root tea is also an excellent natural diuretic
Wow bro thanks for that info... I would have never imagine trying that. I'll give the first variation before adding in the DMSO.. many thanks again.
Give yourself enough time to diet down. If your bf is the same as in your last photo, you should be able to do it in 8 weeks
Yeah right now I'm at 5 percent... I'm a solid 173.5 figure by time im at 3 percent I'll be an even 170. That's the plan brother.
Just a minor question:
Wouldn't it make more sense to drop the npp 2weeks out and the test 1.5weeks out as npp has a half life of 3,4 days while test prop has 2day half life?
Just curious as to the reason ehy
I dont understand why he is going "gear free" to be honest!....... i pin right upto show morning because i have 100% faith in my diet and prep protocol.... i realise he is in a tricky situation being his first show and may have taken advice from someone who is not "competition honed" thats why the layout looks so alien i think.
Testosterone up until the day of? Never done that. My trainer is a seasoned IFBB pro and he has never let me do that. I can cut water to 0 and still not get rid of that Test bloat. I know you have done well in competition, so I guess it can be done, I'm surprised is all. I've pinned Mast and Tren all the way through, but Test? I also like drol to draw water into the muscle bellies as well. The look is fuller than what can be achieved with a conventional carb up.
How much drol would you use before the show and for how long and do you discontinue it?
Is there a certain formula?
Drol is a must when carb loading for me...... and yeah i run prop all the way bro, only low dose mind! and massive VitC dosage takes care of the water.
mperkinsssyoure perfectly right just dont inject 2-3days before stage time because the soreness will be bad if you do ex quad when youre doing ab and thigh! champ listen to him! nice thing is when youre running prop up to contest youll be so shredded ive had friends who competed and used slin pins to inject their prop last week so no lumps are seen and theyre so lean the needle will work perfect!
Winny is pointless if running mast....... prep H like geno said below only works for the limited time stated and it will be a nightmare rubbing that shit in on the day of the show after spending hours getting your tan perfect just to wreck the smooth finish with globs of shark liver oil lol.
Carb depleting/loading is something that you the individual will have to experiment with bro.... it works for some and fails for others...... pointless me telling you to go ahead because it may wreck what you have created, you need to make a decision 6 days out if you feel you should go ahead and do 3 day deplete then 3 day load!..... if at 6 days out you are tight and dry but flat looking go ahead and just do the loading phase to swell up the bellies but dont over do it or you can kill striations....... like i say its an individual thing and because i cannot see or prod you in person its impossible to say do it or not..... anyone who advices blindly is talkin out their ass .
Could you explain to me please why winstrol is useless when running mast...thank you.... never mind viking I see your response below... thank you anyways
Just out of curiosity, how come running winstrol with masteron is a bad idea? just trying to educate myself...
Winny was the hardening drug of the day before mast became prominent..... properly dosed mast will do a better job than winny at hardening the muscles but does not affect the joints!.... when on stage doing battle you dont want to be cramping up or suffering with creaky aching joints, ideally you need to be as supple as possible because if you called out plenty of times( thats what you want ) it certainly takes its toll when energy levels are below par and stiffening out at this stage can be the make or break whether you make the top 6 (Trophy positions) another thing is most use Drol when carb loading so why hit another oral and over-stress the liver.
I use to have a lot of problem with my left lateral delt, but I believe that was from going way too heavy.. laterals with 35 lbs warm up than 50 lbs and up for working sets... I always started with heavy shoulder press warm up with 135 lbs and work up to 205 for 10 reps... Than I drop the weight and everything starting feeling natural. The pain stopped...I also stopped doing all shoulder pressing exercise, because Arnold said it's not as beneficial as laterals, pressing-destroys the joints and you will regret it as you age... I've been watching Lou's Stand Tall Vhs and I'm copying his Master's Olympia posing routine. Contracting and holding every muscle in your body, plus a vacuum is hard and it does delete your energy levels rapidly. I don't have a trainer or a prep coach.. I'm on my own with the help you guys offer and I'm grateful for that... when should I stop drinking water? I was told don't drink anything for 2 days before the show, but I think that would deplete my energy levels.. I afraid of the lack of water and the posing, I'll pass out on stage lol
LOL... no! bro never "stop" drinking water, what you have to do is cut it back slowly over the last 7 days, then again depending on your how you look just take sips for the the last day because you will be getting enough water from carb loading to blow up the muscle bellies..... the trick is to keep the water inside the muscle and not allow it (over-load) to seep SubQ and blind all your hard earned definition and veins .... again this is a trial and error thing that takes practice so don't be disappointed if all does not go to plan for the first show, you must learn from it so stay awake and really start to learn about your body and what works for it and what doesn't ............ this is the fun part bro... if it was easy everybody would be competing lol....... i know some some fkn giants who would never in a million years hit the stage because they dont want to suffer the diets and all this other final prep then get kicked in the teeth on show day because they failed...... seriously i have seen grown men cry, walking off stage with the heads hanging down totally fkn wiped out and feeling shit because they didn't win or place in the top 6...... you never see these type of guys ever again they just slipm back into their gyms never to compete again...... its a hard cruel game brother that can fuck people up if they are not the type to pick their-selves up and come back stronger................ NEVER SAY DIE!... thats the attitude needed to succeed in this game.
Thanks for explaining that to me bro. I remember Arnold saying, you can't be afraid to fail, you can't always win but you can't be afraid of failure. No matter how success someone is today, before they had failed at something in the process of their to success. He also said some days, I'll look around and no matter where I look I won't see success, but If I give up, I'll never be successful. I will accomplish my dreams viking and I know the possible of failure, but inturn that failure will make me a better man and I'll learn from that so next time I can avoid the mistakes that cause that "failure" because in reality no matter how you look at it, win or lose... I won in my heart because I accomplished what I sit out to accomplish.
Well said bro!!
mperkinsssa great thing that fills you up is low dose superdrol! at 20mgs for the last 4weeks it will blow you up but its completely dry.
yeah i have used Sdrol for loading about 8 times now when i havnt been able able to get hold of good Drol......... Drol is my first choice it loads me better.
P.S. .. Fill your STATS in properly if you want to talk me ok...... you left out your age, that means to me you are young!...... let me just inform you i have 28 comps under the belt so i am pretty versed in my self prep.......... just sayin.
Just want to say congrats bro on doing your first show. I'm scheduled to do my first show in July. Shredding down nicely right now running a cut blend and hgh at 5iu. I see you're stopping you test, npp, and GH 1.5 to 2 weeks out. Is that the normal timeframe to stop? I was told to stop my cut blend like 4-5 days out to drop the water and so no injection marks on skin. Anyway, not trying to hijack your thread and just want to say good luck!
Thank you for the support brother.. right now I'm trying to get everything cleared up on when to stop this and that... and to you as well my friend, good luck
Doses look fine. If anything, I'd consider holding off on the winny weeks 1-2, but then bumping it the last 2 weeks to 75-100mg if you plan on cutting the test and npp out. You might run flat on the mast alone.
You'll here differing opinions as on here, but I would only use caber as needed. Chances are you won't get prolactin sides from that low a dose of NPP.
Don't mess with sodium. Keep it steady throughout. Obviously don't binge on grams of it.
Highly recommend ECA stack, great for an appetite curb. I'd use this before T3, and definitely both together as opposed to T3 alone.
Actually going tanning a few times throughout the prep usually keeps my acne in check (one every week or two). Carry a good acne scrub in your gym bag and hit it whenever you can, especially if you were just sweating and don't have time for a full on shower.
Preperation H will help tighten skin, but only for a very short period of time (20 minutes or so). Don't rely on it.
For carb loading, I'd just do 1.5x your normal carbs the last 3 days. Nothing drastic. Especially if you are still learning your body.
Wow, I'm impressed with that info brother... it is programed in and I will take it and apply it