Ready to run my first 8 week TEST E cycle…any input would be great
Stats:
training for 3 years straight, I'm 24, 5"9, 175 lbs..
I will run this cycle 2 months from now, as I'm currently trying to get my BF % to at least 9% (bulk up cycle)
Im reaching for about 500-570mg per week range….
So I think i'll start off by front loading 500 mg on the first day, this will speed up my cycle and make it more productive with the longer ester .... wait 5 days and dose 150 mg, and continue to dose 150 mg E3D thereafter. I used the pct calculator to calculate the figures…
EDIT: MORE SIMPLIFIED
weeks1-8: TEST E 150 mg E3D AFTER front load of 500mg on first day (5 days later 150 mg dose E3D )
Edit: AROMASIN will only keep on hand and use if needed (nips) but shouldn't have too..
Edit: HCG will hold till after last pin as ester dissipates, may or may not use it...
PCT:
clomid: will start using last week before "official pct" /25/ PCT 50/50/25/
Nolva: 20/ 20/ 10/ ( overlapping the in the last week with clomid)
Peptides: 3x ED
other pct stuff that will be thrown in at various times:
creatine, glutamine, luecine, Vit E, D, & C, DAA, DIM, PS, magnesium oil, and possibly an extra test booster..and increase intake of good fats…
Any changes in my PCT or Cycle Regimen?
Thanks
SM615
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Dude your 24. 5'9" and 175 pounds. I think you would be better off having a go with some good gaining diet advice, Viking comes to mind-he has a shake that has more food in it then your probably eating a day. FOOD IS THE MOST ANABOLIC SUBSTANCE ON EARTH! At 24 learn to use it, learn to train hard to meet your goals. Good luck!
southernmuscle615i think your throwing the baby out with the bath water here..i realize a lot of kids come on here asking the craziest stuff, I'm not one..im on yalls side here..blame ppl like bostin loyd or greg valentino…
Irishmack
im not trying to be a dick, but according to your rationale, no one under 30 should touch gear unless their potentially and ifbb pro or genetically gifted if you will..how many ppl fit that though??
switching back to the thread, thanks for all the repleys..I actually might post pone this another 6 months where I'm closer to 25. plus mo research making it mo betta
You need to quit taking this personally. EVERYONE'S body doesn't "mature" physically until at least 25 to 30. If you take gear before then, you can drastically alter what you can achieve and permanently alter you hormonal system as well. Those who wait until their bodies mature, get the most out of their gear and have a greater and healthier longevity. Those few who are genetically gifted and choose the pro bodybuilding path are the exception. That is just how it is. It looks like you already have your mind made up, but you can't say you were not warned.
Max out your natty potential first and then consider running your cycle, otherwise your long term gains may suffer. Good time now to make sure you can use your diet to build mass and perfect that part of the plan.
Just looked at yours stats you're age is 23 ?
southernmuscle615no. i signed up on eroids a couple years back, this is first I've logged back on in at least a year…I'm 24, and 25 in Nov.
He keeps getting younger every time I log into this post:(
Well then, I really stand by what I say then.
The group of guys you have responding to you are not only enormous fucking monsters, but among the smartest guys on the greatest AAS site/ information source in the world.
Listen to them.
In my opinion, and not trying to put you down, this 8 week cycle of such a low dose of test E is a waste of time, bro.
valhallas bestRemember bro food is what is gonna be the major factor to making gains here not the test so research diet m8 hmu if u want a really good diet that has worked wonders for me
southernmuscle615Yea for sure…my diet is gonna be on point…
but how should i adjust the aromasin during the cycle? thats one thing I'm unsure about…
and how about the hcg? oh you don't think i need it…but i think at least at the end after my last pin so i can kickstart it…most people using 1000IU during that, idk if thats too much for what I'm doing though
valhallas bestDude trust me drop the hcg u don't need and it's a waste of money save it for later in ur cycling career for ur 19nors maybe use proviron if u want.and as for aromasin is different for everyone u just gotta feel it out u will now when u need it ur nips will feel weird I'd say start around week 4 and start with 12.5 as needed and adjust as needed
^^X2 Drop the HCG
I really think u should wait brother a little longer to start been only 24. Look at it this way the longer u wait and the better foundation u build the greater the results u will achieve. Just u been 175 u have a lot of room to improve before jumping on aas. Plus let your body full develop at your age u are running a natty cycle of test now. Go slow
southernmuscle615I hear ya..but i've pretty much made up my mind here..yes I'm taking a risk, everyone is, but i want to do it safely as possible..
theres plenty of BB's who have taken it way younger and dumber than me..
Flex wheeler
Arnold
phil heath
victor martinez
christian boving
to name a few...
Flex wheeler had already done several competitions before he used anabolics. Same with Arnold and most of the guys prior to 2000. Flex has come out and said in interviews he started using AFTER he started competing
southernmuscle615my point was they started using in their teens, and arnold i believe was using in his early teens..however IMO aas is NOT really meant to build your body, rather it enhances what you've built...
want to hear something even funnier? You are not any of those people so Im not sure why you think just because they did stupid shit you can too. Im dumbfounded that you want to shut down your natty test to gain absolutely nothing with that cycle plan. Good luck. you are too young still for aas and im surprised others are giving you cycle advice knowing this. get in the kitchen and eat for another year, then start off with a real cycle.
Your right there is a lot of young guys that have had successful careers that started young I can't argue that but I will point out that for everyone of those guys u pointed there prolly a thousand that have cause damage to thereselves and a lot of them have prematurely damaged there hpta. Just some words of wisdom I can't stop u from cycling but I can give u real life experiences .
I just finished my first cycle, that Test E wont be at full potential till atleast the 4th week.. mine took 5 weeks before i really started to fell the changes .. Such a simply cycle and your going that complicated on PCT?
Why not just nolva clomid.. run AI from 2nd week ..
why dont you fill out your profile with full stats before dishing cycle advice?
valhallas bestdude holy shit this is all wrong...
duude more research then come back n post
pct starts 2 weeks after last pin
clomid 100/100/50/50
nolva 40/40/20/20
aromasin u will need all the way thru start around weks 3-5 whenever u need it..
southernmuscle615yes dude i realize pct starts 2 weeks after…HCG is suppose to be used for the most part after the last pin as the ester slowly dissipates.. the amount could be wrong or too much though…that I'm not sure…
I use the AI after my last pin, to stop the conversions to estrogen..You want a situation in pct where test and estrogen both rise together..
albeit my ai, hcg, and other stuff might be overdosed, or timed wrong…but is WHY i posted brother!
Thanks
valhallas besti think hcg would be a waste just my humbled opinion
everything is wrong no thought on bloods, pct isn't correct , length isn't correct,ai is crazy, hcg isn't truly needed for a simple one cycle compound of test consisting of 12 weeks etc etc you need to do some more research my friend that's what this site is used for to have better knowledge about ASs
Great post plus one
8 weeks is a pretty short run for a long ester even with frontloading. You'll just be hitting the sweet spot and then ending your cycle. With a long ester I would recommend taking it out to 10 wks and not more than 12 and drop the frontload for your first run. HCG probably not needed for this cycle but that is your call. First cycle I would leave it out and then if you feel you need you can put it in for your other cycles. Starting your AI to early. You are likely going to crash estro. I would wait till about week 4 and then think about using it. At 300 mg/wk of test e, you may even be able to get away without using an AI. Bloods at week 6 will let you know for sure.
Come on Mak, cycle advice to a 24 year old who really doesnt care? you are better then that.
southernmuscle615so how is what your doing any different? Because your older? When did you start running gear?
No successful bodybuilder started gear in their 30's and 40's..yea waiting to 25 might be a better idea, but dude you don't even know me..
I started because I had low t at 40 years old 2 years ago and I do this legally. I dont have to know you, you are like every other kid who comes and goes. You have no patience and nothing but excuses. your body is still producing massive amounts of natty test that doing a cycle would do nothing for you. You are not a pro bodybuilder so stop comparing yourself to one. Just be honest with everyone and yourself and admit you have no patience and are looking for an easy way to get big. What you also fail to realize is that all the peoples names you dropped were genetically gifted so before they started gear they were already big. you need to spend more energy in the kitchen and the gym instead of aas at this point. Come back when your 25 so you have passed the growth stage, then after a year of research you will have come up with a better cycle then this shit.
southernmuscle615Thnaks man..and thanks for EXPLAINING rather than just "no this is wrong" haha what part???…
my thinking is that sense it is a short 8 week cycle, front loading will set me up earlier rather than waiting a few weeks… I used the pct calculator..my blood levels will actually be around 550 weekly not 300 because the ester…
And ill just keep the AI on hand then till a few weeks, id rather not wait for gyno, but my bf% will be low as well…and will take bloods during and after
thanks makwa
The PCT calculator does not calculate your bloodlevels. That is the mg of hormones in your system. With your frontload calculation, when does the level reach steady state and when does it reach steady state without the frontload?
Any reason why it has to be an 8 wk cycle?
southernmuscle615see without the front load, you can see it would take a while
Pins:
Day 1: 150mg T
Day 4: 261.4mg T
Day 7: 344.2 mg T
Day 10: 405.7mg T
Day 13, 16,
Day 19 510mg T <------Finally right lol
But see my rationale?
And I'm running 8 weeks and doing 4.5 months off…this is for BETTER and FULL recovery..
"FSH & LH did not disappear as quick as most thought.Sure you get these big drop offs at week 2 to 4 but thereafter there is a tiny bit of LH until about week 8 and FSH fades off by week 6 or so."
So LH is barley still active..so your not as shutdown as you think, until you go past 8 weeks… 8 week cycles are for more of the hobbiest…6-12 month cycles are great for serious competitors…from my understanding
Where are you getting these FSH and LH values from? Are these actual blood results you have taken while you were on cycle?
southernmuscle615No no..not my values, i was quoting someone. don't want to plug is name on here but he's a big deal haha
and he knows his stuff..if you want more on that i can pm you the stuff..
Wow there is so much wrong here and that not even counting your age. Drop this now completely messed up. Do u know what trt is or what your hpta is. U young sir are setting up yourself with complete failure. Simply by reading this u need more time to research and simply need more time to let your body reach its full potential