+ 3 IGF-1 LR3 Accountability
OK, so I wanna start a forum for people who have ran IGF-1 LR3. We need to know exactly what's legit and what's not. Just like the HGH forums that have popped up. We need to know the dose you ran, how often you ran it, preworkout/postworkout/etc. How many times a week you ran it and what source you got it from. We also need to know ALL the details of the results. Everything from gaining xx pounds of lean mass, hot flashes, better recovery time, if ran during PCT did you keep all or most of your gains? If you ran it off cycle did you continue to put on mass? Where you stacking it with HGH or any other peptides? You get the picture.
I think the easiest way to do this is to PM me all your direct info with ALL the required info and I'll post it here and give your handle the credit for the work. If we are not on our friends list, then POST below that you sent me a FR and I'll get back to you ASAP.
I'd like to save the comments section for people to ask/answer any follow up questions they may have or suggestions in regards to this forum.
As we all know, prices for this peptide can range from $30 for a 1mg vial up to $500 for 2.5mgs and everything in between. Let's make this work in all our favor so that we can get the best quality product for the money spent.
All suggestions are welcome as well. Thanks to everyone who is contributing to this.
OB Out
Everything below that line will be IGF-1 LR3 related!
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So, like 8 months or so ago I ran some LR3 and started out at @ 30mcg post WO. Nothing. Bumped it to 40mcg. Nothing. 50mcg and I was HOT all the time, but no pumps or gains, etc. Jumped it to 60mcg and still nothing more than being really fucking hot! In conclusion, I'd say don't spend your money on this brand!
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IGF-1 LR3 was ran at a very lose dose of 20mcg post workout for 3 weeks and then bumped up to 30mcg for the next 2 weeks. The IGF was first administered at the start of PCT, at which time weight was at 212 pounds. TD says his lab rats noticed a dramatic increase in appetite and increased vascularity throughout. Also claims to have leaned up a bit, but no changes in strength. Only 5 pounds were lost during PCT and has maintained weight at ~207. TD also stated being in an upbeat mood, even while on PCT and recommends this IGF.
http://www.eroids.com/pics/evolution-peptides-igf-1-lr3
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im going to revive this just because i love OP's handle
have read an anrticle about an issue related to efficacy of IGF-1 and related analogs (DES, LR3, etc.) There are many reviews here about IGF-1 giving good gains, especially when used with GH. However, most of us are purchasing IGF-1-LR3 from peptide synthesis companies. However, chemical synthesis of IGF-1 completely lacks the correct disulfide bonds that impart the proper folding of the protein for its activity. IGF-1 and its analogs all require 3 disulfide bonds to generate the correct folded form of the protein, and this can only be accomplished in the body as naturally produced, or in E.coli as a recombinant source, just like how GH is made (recombinantly). Insulin is very similar in structure to IGF-1 and it also is completely inactive if synthesized chemically, it also has to be made recombinantly or extracted from a biologic source (people used to use bovine Insulin before recombinant sources). Recombinant means it is made in bacteria, which have enzymes to create these intramolecular disulfide bonds so the protein folds into the right configuration. All human clinical trials or current treatment of patients in the clinic is performed with recombinant IGF-1 or the LR3 isoform. The synthesized peptide version will have 0 biologic activity. There are countless references in the scientific literature to this effect. IGF-1 does work, but you have to use the recombinant form, which is 10X more expensive compared with chemically synthesized forms. What I find amusing are all the past threads claiming how great IGF-1 LR3 worked for bros, especially in combination with GH, but best I can surmise most were using the version of IGF-1 LR3 from chemical synthesis, which has 0 biologic activity, regardless of dosage.
IGF-1 vs. HGH
Why IGF-1 and not GH? Growth hormone actually is a precursor to IGF-1. Growth hormone does not directly cause muscle growth, but indirectly causes muscle growth by signaling the release of IGF-1. Human Growth Hormone (HGH) can be very expensive, and to see muscle growth it needs to be paired with insulin orother anabolic steroids. This makes IGF-1 variants like LR3 and DES, which can be used as a standalone drug, a much more viable option for bodybuilder looking to see solid recovery of damaged tissue and muscle growth.
Dosing and Injections
IGF-1 LR3
IGF-1 LR3 can be taken 7 days a week at a dose of 50-150mcg a day. Desensitization was shown to occur at around 40 days or roughly 4 weeks. Injection sites can be at any muscle group on the body, as it’s not very good at site specific growth.
IGF-1 DES
DES IGF-1 can be dosed at 50-150mcg multiple times a day (prior to training) into specific target areas. since DES has such a short half life (20-30 minutes), desensitization was not noticed at all . Injection sites should be localized; preferably, at the muscle group you want to grow. In simple terms, if you want to grow your biceps, inject IGF-1 DES right into your bicep.
Side Effects
It should be noted that high doses of IGF-1 have been known to cause hypoglycemia, but nowhere near the level of insulin. It is also noted, and highly debated, that IGF-1 was shown to increase tumor size in cancer patients. While this fact may be true in patients with existing cancer, IGF-1 is not the cause of cancer; in fact, our bodies need IGF-1 to regulate heart function, nervous system and brain cell stimulation. People with low IGF-1 levels were found to have low protein counts and low lean body mass, which, in turn, can be equally unhealthy. If you have a headache, you don’t take a whole bottle of Aspirin. Likewise, to guard yourself from making ignorant mistakes, IGF-1 should be administered properly , and never abused.
Sent u FR. Jw if u had any good sources or brands u recommend and have used of igf lr3. I want to get some but not till i have confidence in source. Woulld reallly appreciate it. Thanks
I always recommend to take IGF1-LR3 pre training for the increased pumps and vascularity. Those who respond to IGF-1 long R3 describe amazing pumps during workouts, rapid increase in strength and good increase in muscle mass. I have observed these results on my friends. In this regards, IGF-1 can be described as "HGH on steroids". Both produce similar results, while IGF-1 does it faster (for those who respond to it).
However I have a friend who competes at a high level and he cannot use IGF1-LR3 as it reacts badly with him and does nothing as its supposed to. But he uses IGF1-DES after training IM into the muscle trained and he gets fantastic results from that with Increased vascularity, fat loss and denser muscle.
Only time I got accused of roiding was on igf only problem is I find the results wear off fast and I get brown spots on my face from peptides in general it seems
IfbbmoeI bought igf from peptides warehouse and it didn't mix well in either bac water or acetic acid so I decided not to run it. They were cool enough to swap it for something else and mail it to me free of charge though. Great customer service
Bio-Peptide igf-1 lr3 is really really good. Gained 1.6 cm in 10 days on arms with 50 mcg each side ed for 10 days. And no its not gains you will loose again afterwards but on igf u seriously have to eat correctly else u fuck up and this thing is not for kids! You can seriously die of hypo so be carefull bc right after inject your blood sugar drops verry verry fast!
Going hypo on igf should tell you all you need to know.Its animal insulin real igf is about £200-300 and doesn't give you any pumps in the gym and should be taken 4 hours pwo and then 4 hours after that so not to interfere with your body's mgf
No its not insulin my mate tryed both and noticed allot diffrence 10 iu insulin rapid didnt gave him gains like the igf-1 lr3
Can someone pm a list of which ones are bs?
Not sure how to send you a friend request, but I have quite a bit of experience with LR3.
I just picked up some IGF-1 LR3 from a top rated source here. I'll be keeping strict records of dosage, growth, diet and strength. I'll be back on here in a few weeks for an update! Keeping fingers crossed for now.
Hey i know u said that long time ago. But howd it go? Whay brands? I send u FR so u can pm me if u would like. Id really appreciate it thanks bro
Thanks for this topic i've been looking for a good source of igf so msny fakes
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So if all igf is fake then the places selling them are completely fake? I have seen other peptides besides igf offered that are not even for humans with some hefty price tags like H-Ala-pNA·HCl. Is this some sort of cover to make it look more reputable?
bigwillyFOR THE 100th TIME if you paid 30 $ for a bottle of igf1 ......my friend ya got took.those bull shit peptide companys are trash I don't care what paper work they send with it. but it dose look good to the kiddies. I havnt had or seen real igf1 for grabs in ohhhhhh 4-5 years. im not an authority on this but iv done 100s of hours of research on this and have come up with this. theres just not a big enough demand to jolt it in to production by any reputable lab. also its very fragile and just as costly as gh. again iv done at least 500 hours of research on this and if you know something I don't please share thx.
AnonI think all IGF is fake... Bodybuilder is actually pretty resourceful on this topic. From my understanding the billionaires that sponsor Ramey contracted people to have it made again since the REAL stuff halted in production years back, beyond that - they aren't sharing it with ANYONE, not even the other big name trainers and pro's because the expensive is beyond something even I can afford supposedly.
Another item I'd say falls into the same category is "triptorelin" GNRH. Ive seen numerous times of it failing for people and I honestly don't think China, selling it for $7 a vial has something that could yield such miraculous results.
bigwillythank you muta iv been telling every one that for years now. although the hyge people used to make a good igf1 I cant speak for it now.
Obama BlowsThe Turbovital? I've only seen one person on here buy it and post pics. I PM'd him and never got a response. If it's legit, I don't mind spending the $530 for the kit of it, but I don't wanna waste that kinda money...!
Anonfake. tried it myself.
bigwillywhen was this ? ohhh 5 years ago I was very impressed with it. hell its one of the only 2 real igf1 iv ever had. was it fake or crashed?
Obama BlowsFUCK!
Well then I got one more I'd like your input on if you don't mind. I'll PM you
bigwillyId hold off for now bro. Like I said it was 5 years ago.I know the source pushing it is reputable but just to risky right now. Pm me I did like the looks of somthing else.
Obama BlowsLike I said, the money is worth it if I'm gonna gain 5 pounds of solid muscle in 50 day bursts. But the uncertainty is making me hold back...at least for a bit longer.
Obama BlowsYa, I'm gonna be trying the Triptorelin for my PCT as well. It's cheap enough that no harm if it's bunk.
So are you saying that it's MORE expensive to make IGF than it is to produce HGH?
Anonfrom what I've been told.. if Dennis James and big time guys like that CANT get their hands on IGF through their connections and big stacks of money they have from charging people $15,000 for a contest prep.. then i don't think its as easy as going on a site and ordering it. If it were, everyone would look like Big Ramy
Obama BlowsSo then what do all the peptide places sell? Some even ship with Mass Specs as well
Yes more pricy !! The break down in the elements. I've had great results with Nomad Labs HGH and IGF. Pricy but worth the $$. The primary purpose of IGF-1 is to stimulate cell growth. Every cell in the human body can be affected by IGF-1, but cells in muscle, cartilage, bone, liver, kidney, skin tissue, lungs, and nerves tend to be most positively affected. cts that increase IGF-1 can help improve muscularity and healing and recovery times. IGF-1 can also stimulate a decrease in body fat, an increase in lean muscle mass, improved skin tone and restful sleep. IGF-1 has also been documented to increase the rate and extent of muscle repair after injuries or strains. Not only do muscles recover more quickly, they also tend to return stronger and healthier than ever when levels of IGF-1 in the bloodstream are at their highest. an prevent age-related degeneration of muscles, skin tissue and bones. Because IGF-1 levels tend to level off and fall rapidly when the liver is not stimulated by HGH production, these benefits are greatest when consistently high HGH levels are maintained. I know of some blood that will be posted here pretty soon on so IGF so stay toned !
Obama BlowsWanna PM me you source for Nomad Labs IGF?
Are the bloods being done on HGH or IGF? Cuz it's my understanding that the intake of IGF won't show up on an IGF blood test.
Thanks for sharing this Muta. I hope you're recovering nicely.
Is it possible to have this stuff tested? I assume you have to be able to do it just like any other compound, but I really don't know. I'd be interested in seeing regular testing (if possible) by a source for every new batch received. The cost of this relative to the profit potential has to be peanuts. Maybe it's psychological, but I've been happy with what I have been using in PCT, fwiw.
Obama BlowsWell last night I decided to try my IGF @ 40mcg 30-40 minutes PRE workout as opposed to the usual post-workout regimen that I've been doing. I didn't notice the muscle pumps that people were talking about or anything like that. However, I was BURNING THE FUCK UP! I was on fire. Couldn't stop pounding water and wiping the sweat off. I'm gonna start running 50mcg from now on and see what that gives me and I'll report back.
P.S. I'm posting in the comments section cuz I haven't finished experimenting with this brand yet. When I'm done I'll add a condensed version up top.
bigwillyDog you wont notice any thing for a few days. My cycle went like this. AM 50mgs then same late afternoon. For 55 days no off days. Bu day 5ish I had a round the clock pump and a crazy pump after workouts. I ran it as a twice daily routine. At the time I was squeeky clean and by day 55 I had put on 5lbs of rock solid lean muscle. The swelling in my hands and feet wer a bit worse then what ya get from good gh. And the shakes wer a bit spooky at times. But a quick knocked it right out. Brother the shit was great.it was not cheap nor was easy to get but puond for pound its the best compound iv ever had. I should also mention that it was 5 years ago and I believe im still holding that 5 lbs I picked up from it. Unlike steriods you can keep all the gain from a real igf1 cycle. PM if ya have any questions dog. You know where I stand on this.
Obama BlowsYou did NOT take 50mgs 2x a day...typos like that will have newbies dropping like flies. And I didn't say this was day one. I've been on it for a while now, but it was 30mcg post workout for most and then 40 mcg post workout for the past couple days. But Last night I bumped it to 50MCG and took it pre workout...
bigwillyChristopher poop ! Your right.
bigwillythank you brother for this thread. igf1 in my opinion is the most under thought of compound we have available and I don't know why. this is a real shame because iv used real igf1 and I know how fantastic the gains are. if indeed you can find real igf1 and not the bull shit these local peptide companys are pushing.folks if you paid 30$ for 1000 mcg I highly dought ya got real igf1. I havnt gotten the real deal for about 5 years now, not to say its not available but it dose not grow on trees like gh or test. for decent 50-60 day cycle I would be ready to spend between 5-600$ again that was 5 years ago.
Obama BlowsHere's my dilemma: If the cheaper peptide companies have IGF and ship it with paperwork showing the lab results from the batch you received and >98% purity, then how can that not be just as good of quality as the $500 stuff we were talking about?
And GH is much harder to make than IGF, so that's why we have such high prices for HGH...They need a legit lab designed for this. It doesn't "grow on trees" as you stated. IGF is made up of much less aminos, so therefore easier to produce...which in turn lowers costs dramatically.
Dude this is big shit. It seems like peptides are the big thing in cutting edge anabolics. But knowledge on hem isn't widespread like on aas. I'm hoping to learn how I can benefit from igfs when to use them and how much. Good thread bro
Obama BlowsYa, it's like a crap shoot when it comes to info on this. Hopefully this will help
bigwillyHey O B. I am working on somthing dog.
It would be good to have some info on how / where to get igf-1 lr3 tested.
Obama BlowsI too, live in that dream world. But until that happens, we gotta go with some bro-science lol
Finally someone yells " wtf is this stuff the real deal holyfield?" +1 thanks for trying to bury this beast.
Obama BlowsYA! Hopefully this thread will put this never ending question to rest once and for all. But it's just gonna take a bit of time to get enough input to make that happen.
id be very interested in this list? specially for uk
Obama BlowsWell click the little heart at the top and it'll save it to your favs list for easy access. I think this is gonna blow up :-)
I may be able help out some, I have a list of sources that are complete bullshit... and 2 that have provided quality IGF-1 with independent assays.
I kno this was 5 years ago. But i sent u FR. Hoping to get that list thanks bro
Obama BlowsSounds good. Send me a PM with the info. And be sure to add this to your favs :-)