+ 3 Running Proviron throught PCT
Hey kids, I've got a question that is boggling the shit out of me. I am getting close to ending my current cycle. It's been a good cycle, I've had good gains, minimal sides, and contrary to what they told me in grade school, my wiener didn't fall off. But that's neither her nor there.
I would just like to know everyone's opinion on running Proviron during PCT. I've been studying the shit out of it and it seems like everything is about 50/50. I've read studies that say at low doses 25-50 mg, it doesn't shut down the HTPA (I can post them if you need me to) and then I've read other things that say other wise. Some say, Hell no don't use it, and some say hell yes use it.
I have confided in some of my closest bros. here on eroids. Not Novice bros. (no pun intended) but the big dogs and my answers are still coming back at 50/50 yes and no's.
So please feel free to weigh in and discuss your opinions. This is probably not a question for our 21 year olds on TRT, but for those that do cycle or have cycled in the past. Especially those who have run standard pct protocol vs. Standard PCT protocol with Proviron.
I like the idea of it, but if it's going to slow down my pct, it just isn't worth the boner time in my opinion.
I'd greatly appreciate any input on this.
All my love, no homo
Ed.
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What I love about this site is that if you dig deep enough. You will find what you are looking for without posting new tread. Thanks guys . This is what I was looking for. I will be running Proviron during PCT at 50mg ED.
RustyhookerTheres a stickie i believe where many members via bloods proved provi will shut you down. If its not stickied, it is on here somewhere with folks posted results
Couple of good stickies on it
https://www.eroids.com/forums/steroids-qa/anabolic-steroids/proviron...s...
https://www.eroids.com/forums/general/general-talk/the-proviron-experiment
Thanks @Makwa
God dean, this is so much discussed.
I am completely lost.
I don't want to be shut down on pct but to have something to maintain my build.
What's possible to run safely on PCT!?
I have read these two and many more here, also on other sites. It's still not 100% clear to me is it ok and or recommend to run on PCT as addition to have libido and mood back. I will keep digging. As my current cycle is not that vicious and don't consist of more than 2 compounds, i think i will be going with Clomid and Nolva for pct. @Rustyhooker if you have input on this subject your thoughts are welcome. I'm very much thinking about cruise vs PCT of this one. Cuz mainly i was using only testosterone mix total for about 12 when I will Finnish. So my second idea is to go cruising for couple of months with test c or e of around 200-250 a week. And to please my lady will be running HcG for fertility boost, so proviron i think is great addition for this.
So basically
-Cruising with hcg and proviron.
Or
-hcg course then pct (clomid and Nolva) big question mark about proviron ..
RustyhookerCruise of course is that permenent step and it does get old quick.
Tread held a guru tag here and made many pists on the axis. Axis is test and hgh balance. Anyways, his last forum covered running hgh in pct to help in getting the balance back and still maintaining mass as your pct pushes to get you back on track. Generics have tested well and theyre easily found.
Roud noids forum...finished cycle, now what talks about hitting into catabolic state on pct an post cycle ideals to avoid loss. Based on how to hit gym fir size rerention but not hard enough to go catabolic. Plus food ideas to stay positive.
As far as if you choose pct, id strongly suggest pharma or proven ugl. Pharma above all though imo. And nothings wrong with going 6 weeks pct as/if needed. We age and everything slows. Harsh cycles and i ALWAYS went 6 weeks. Same layout in my post on pct.
RustyhookerThank you bro!
Hey Ed - this probably won't help you on this cycle, however, I just decided to add Priviron to the last 10 days of my current PCT then continue it as a bridge. I plan to update my log ever week or so and plan to run bloods midway through my bridge to check my test, LH & FSH levels. We're not too far in age (I'm 38) and have similar taste in gear (Anabolic Nation, Kalpa, & EliteAnabolx - just ordered from them Monday)... At least the fact about our age is somewhat relevant
I just started the Proviron on Tuesday so I haven't made any updates but if you have an interest, feel free to follow along: http://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/pct-anti-estrogens/proviron-in-p...
Hope this helps you down the road!
AnonI think at a low dose would be good at 25 mg in my opinion
I run it everyday
Very good question ED. I can't tell you about running it in PCT. I will tell you that initially when starting my last cycle (I'm currently in week 3 of PCT) that I started my cycle with only Proviron for 3 days just to check its effectiveness before adding the injectables. Prior to this cycle, I hadn't run a cycle in 20 years. I'm 50. The effect of Proviron was that my testicles enlarged during those first three days. My libido went noticeably higher and my overall mood improved in just those three days.
Personally, I've done a lot of research on this also, and my opinion is that it's okay to run it during PCT. The article by P: http://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/anabolic-steroids/proviron...sho...
says not to run through PCT, although he didn't offer his reason(s). Also, I've read on a highly rated source's site, that it is good to run through PCT. So, I agree that there's conflicting information.
This post has me re-thinking - again, so thanks for bringing up this question. And as stated, I'm in week 3 of PCT - 17 days in to be exact. Without going into the specifics of how PCT is going, I will say now, that I plan to do an experiment starting tonight. As Viking often says to push the limits and experiment a little, I'm willing to try it. I initially ran it alone at 25mg for the first three days of my recent cycle, and ran it as high as 75mg - 25mg split every 8 hours on cycle. Some days I would only remember to get in 25mg or 50mg, but those days were few.
My experiment starting tonight:
- take one 25mg tablet ed
- run this for three days along with my normal PCT protocol consisting of:
starting day 14 after last injection: one time shot of 100mcg triptorelin, then day 15 start of soemewhat typical PCT: Clomid @ 100/100/50/50, and Raloxifene 60/60/30/30
- day 4 (from now) depending on my results, increase Proviron to 50mg split 25mg 2x daily.
My cycle was: 12 weeks - 150mg test e, 300 tren e, and 200 mast e, and Proviron as stated above, and for the last 4 weeks I ran a 1mg ed of a preworkout blend consisting of TNE 50mg/ml, Methandrostenolone 25mg/ml, Oxymetholone 50mg/ml, 4 Chlorodehydromethyltestosterone 25mg/ml, Methyltrienolone 750mcg/ml, with 1g prami every 5 days and 25g aromasin ed - I know this seems like a lot of Aro, but my doc prescribed it, and I tolerate it well with no sides and it worked very well)
I'll report my results here (or create a new post including this one upon your approval ED) as often as I can. This will be no less than eod. I'm a big fan of Proviron because of my three day experiment pre-cycle. So, I'm excited to see how it will effect my remaining PCT.
Love - no homo,
Den
Update:
Today: Sunday, 17NOV13 - Day 19 of PCT
I've taken 25mg Proviron for two consecutive days now. First dose was day 17 (Friday, 15NOV13) before bed along with my normal PCT: (now at) 12.5 Aromasin, 50mg Clomid, 30 mg Raloxifene.
Results: PCT has felt progressively better for the past week. Initially, I had some mood swings, bad acne, low libido and performance issues during the first week. I noticed my symptoms subsided going into week 2 and have gotten noticeably better with each passing day. Going back to the day before I started PCT, I took a 100mcg shot of Triptorelin and noticed an almost immediate increase in size in my testes and within 20 minutes I experienced a solid erection for no particular reason except that I was just lying on my back taking a nap in the afternoon.
I had bloodwork done October 3 - results are here: http://www.eroids.com/pics/estrogen-was-3875-on-oct.-3-2013-labs-august-...
In my opinion, the estradiol number from this lab work was erroneous. I've seen a lot of these false estradiol numbers from guys who've done a 19-not cycle. It seems to be a particular problem with Lab Corp. specifically. I had bloodwork done again at exactly my 2 week mark after my last injection (see cycle above).
I don't have the actual report, but I received a text from my doc: Only thing back so far: LH and FSH are not surpressed. Normal: LH is 5.4, FSH is 4.1, Estradiol is 22.2, range is 7.6 - 42.6. So it it was clearly a false estradiol number from the Oct. 3 bloodwork.
Today, I feel like I did when I was 25 - performance wise. Much higher sensitivity and came fairly quickly - less than 10 minutes. My testicles are noticeably larger than prior to the triptorelin shot. I only wish I would have actually measured them somehow, at various stages of the cycle and currently. Calipers perhaps?
It's difficult to say at this point if Proviron is exclusively responsible for the better performance since I was feeling progressively better anyway. But I do notice an overall better feeling in all areas most notably performance. In fact it's been a huge improvement . I have a bloodwork appointment scheduled for November 27. This will be approximately 12 hours after my last administration of PCT including Proviron. As I previously stated, I'll be updating here every other day, and most likely will start a new thread including Ed's original post and all my results for this experiment.
... 'till then, bro fist!
Update: Saturday, 23NOV13
I apologize for not updating all week. I had a family matter that required my attention through the entire week.
Regarding the experiment, so far, so good. I've actually stayed at the 25mg instead of increasing to 50mg. I feel great, almost as though I'm on cycle again. I was getting a little smooth - my vascularity was moderately diminishing: bicep and forearm veins not as prominent. One forearm vein in particular, I use as a benchmark. It wraps from just below the top of my forearm where it meets my upper arm and runs up and around along the medial head of my tricep. This vein disappeared. Now it's back.
The big question with this experiment is: what is the individual effect of the Proviron? It's really impossible to quantify due to the other variables occurring in PCT. My natty test is likely recovering through PCT and determining the difference from adding Proviron is highly unlikely. One positive note for the use of Proviron is that it absolutely has not hurt my recovery. I'm scheduled for final bloodwork for this cycle on 27NOV13 which will be approximately twelve hours after my last PCT plus Proviron dose. This bloodwork should be very interesting.
I'll be starting a new thread with most of the above from Ed and myself. I've obtained Ed's approval to do so and plan to have it up by the end of this weekend. It will be ongoing until my bloodwork of 27NOV13.
Hell yeah bro. This is excellent.
AnonYea.. i always thought i do beetter with provi
I have been hesitant to recommend it during pct cause it is hard to say but i think it may be good at low dosage.. i wish more vets will key in on this so i can decide what i should do
±3 To you for such a good thread
Thanks brother! This subject is kind of baffling.
Thanks bruddah!
OT:
Did you hear about the lady who inadvertently stepped back, and into the running propeller of a small plane?
Dis assed her!
Lol. Nice one:
Yeah bro. I appreciate you keeping us posted. It will be interesting to see how your bloods test. Would it be better to wait a couple of more days to have bloods done? Make sure the Nolva Clomid and provi are out of your system for the test?
Damn! Good point Ed. I'll postpone the bloods until Friday, Nov. 29 at the earliest if I can.
Duh: 19-nor
Bro fist back! I'll plus one this kind of awesomeness all day. Wish I could do more.
Thanks Ed. I appreciate that. I hope it helps. Like I said, it's difficult to precisely measure the effects of Proviron exclusively. There's so much more going on simultaneously. My bloodwork scheduled for Nov. 27 should be very interesting.
This is great brother all ready pioneering ahead!
Thank you my friend.
Excellent bro. Yes please post results. You are welcome to post them here, but it sounds good enough to deserve its own page. I'm very interested to hear how it works out. Thanks brother.
Thanks Ed for bringing it to the forefront... and you thought I was going to say foreskin - no homo!
Lol. No homo back atchA!
Love You're Honesty Den (No Homo lol), and also have high hopes on Proviron after trying it with Deca after my first cycle since 1998. Went Overboard, I know, and paid the price with It with a Dead Dick, but That's what This game is About: Sharing Info & Learning from Our mistakes!
Loved Proviron Overall and still believe IMO that It can be bridged along with PCT to help retain "The Look Obtained" along with a somewhat Alive Dick, depending on the Choice!
I'll definitely be keeping an eye Out on Your Posts!
Thanks. I'm looking forward to seeing what results I get. Stay tuned...
Will Do Indeed Brother!....I'll be runninng Balkan Provimed @ 50mgs/pill ed, maybe Underdosed but still worked and cheap!.....We Both see The possibilities on This Compound....
IMO there's not absolute proof that Proviron will not suppress hpta levels while bridging. I'm planning on running it along Clomid way before my next cycle at 50mgs ed, while I'm on my second PCT after a Deca Cycle...Bro Science at Its Best!...Will keep You posted on the results!
That's kind of what I'm seeing. Thanks for playing!
Thanks for the input brother.
UFOI PMed a mod with this exact question after read conflicting threads myself. I was advised to NOT run it with PCT or after PCT because it will in fact suppress hpta. If theres any risk of it messing with recovery why chance it. So I didn't. If libido or getting hard is your concern just buy some Viagra instead to hold you down in times of need. Youll get that natural sex drive back quick enough
Lol, I've pm'ed two of the mods about this and they both had totally different opinions.
Which one do I go with?
That's the problem with this proviron question. there just doesnt seem to be a definitive answer.
UFOlol yeaa I can see how that would be an issue.
Are we talking about briging?
Not nescessarily, just running it along side a normal pct protocol.
I'm planning on running it at 50mg/day until 10 days after last pin, then 25mg/day for about 12 more days. Then dropping that and continuing with regular pct. If there's a risk of suppression I wouldn't run it while trying to reactivate.
If there's bloodwork proof that shows otherwise, I'd like to see it.
Come back here if you can and update how it worked for you. It will be good to have the experiences. I can't do this because I am on TRT. But I would for sure try this if I wasn't. I have read plenty of stories where the normal pct is very rough on people if there is some other good alternatives that will ease the transition without greater suppression it will be well worth exploring imo.
in my intepretation of pubmed, you would want the exogeneous test cleared from your system, as it can increase suppression alongside higher than prescribed doses of exxogeneous test. Doses from 25-50mg in a range between 3-6 months show miniscule to zero "suppression" in men ( off cycle)
So adding it during the end or after pct seems ok. Being mindful of any estro rebound, maybe it would be smart to taper down the dose once you want to come off it.
Running it alongside SERMS may heighten bp. my two pennies
Definitely more valuable than 2 pennies.
thanks bud.
i would LOVE to see this question answered with Bloods.
I have also seen conflicting articles, hopefully someone can answer this question for good
Amen bro. I can't seem to find this any where.
I don't see any negative to it. One it helps against estrogen. Will do the libido a favor therefore help the over all mood dip that is so prevalent with pct.
Here is a a possible negative during a series of studies proviron administered at high dosages decreased the LH and testosterone in men But it was thought this happen do to the high dosages. I believe at 25 mgs a day there would be not problem. But that is just a guess. Here is the link Ed to where the info on that study is.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesterolone
Thanks brother, as always your input is highly valued.
I am also very curious and also fully planning on running it on this upcoming PCT. I did not use it on my first PCT. Everything was smooth as silk except desire/libido. I am hoping the proviron could maybe soften that a bit. If not I have some superman pills to fill in.
ClassyChassisJust my opinion/experience but I think 25mg in the AM, to coincide with your natural test pulse does more good than harm. And since it doesn't aromatize it doesn't contribute to that aspect of the feedback loop. I've known people who bridge with 25mg and seem to do fine. 25mg AM and PM, I wouldn't feel as confident about. Like I said, to coincide with the natural pulse may make it less noticeable as far as being something extra. Just my thoughts.
Interesting approach. I definitely like the concept.
ED I can't give you a perfect answer bud just an experienced opinion. I love proviron and why I say that is because while on any compound that causes a build up of estrogen or can lead to water weight or progesterone I have always found it to help keep my water in check, my libido in check, my strength in check ( Oral steroid ) and also is has no issues with respiratory or LD/HD in a bad way. I also think that it has great benefits for any "guys" over 21 who may have an issue with pinky dink problems such as an oldie but goody as yourself...Haaa just messing with you since you hit me before, you old pinky dink bastard! But in all honesty I love proviron and for me 25mg a day 4 on 2 off works well with my Test/Deca cycles regardless of a kicker or an oral base added. proviron by itself which I tried before after my PCt was nice as it kept me dry and still had the libido/test type kick.
Cool bro. Thanks for the input.