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+ 27 The Proviron Experiment

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This post is the offspring of an intriguing question posted by engineereddisaster (http://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/running-proviron-throug...). It's intended to be a compendium consisting of Ed's previous post and my responses including my experiment updates.

This post intends to answer or at least add to the knowledge base on this subject. Here are some of the questions:
~ Is Proviron recommended as an addition to PCT?
~ How does Proviron affect the normal recovery of a typical PCT regimen?
~ What is the recommended dosing and protocol for both on cycle and PCT?

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EDIT: Monday, 25NOV2013:

Being that this is a compendium, I'd like to gather data from those who have actual experience using Proviron. This will be extremely valuable to the eroids community. So, if you've run Proviron in the past, or currently running it either on cycle or especially as an adjunct to your PCT or TRT, please either send me a FR and a subsequent PM, or post as much pertinent detail as possible below. Thanks in advance!

This is a great post by Nitty that sheds light on a counter argument against using Proviron in PCT:
http://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/anabolic-steroids/proviron-for-b...
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Here are my responses to Ed's original post (see link in line one):

Very good question ED. I can't tell you about running it (Proviron) in PCT. I will tell you that initially when starting my last cycle (I'm currently in week 3 of PCT) that I started my cycle with only Proviron for 3 days just to check its effectiveness before adding the injectables. Prior to this cycle, I hadn't run a cycle in 20 years. I'm 50. The effect of Proviron was that my testicles enlarged during those first three days. My libido went noticeably higher and my overall mood improved in just those three days.

Personally, I've done a lot of research on this also, and my opinion is that it's okay to run it during PCT. The article by P: http://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/anabolic-steroids/proviron...sho...
says not to run through PCT, although he didn't offer his reason(s). Also, I've read on a highly rated source's site, that it is good to run through PCT. So, I agree that there's conflicting information.

This post has me re-thinking - again, so thanks for bringing up this question. And as stated, I'm in week 3 of PCT - 17 days in to be exact. Without going into the specifics of how PCT is going, I will say now, that I plan to do an experiment starting tonight. As Viking often says to push the limits and experiment a little, I'm willing to try it. I initially ran it alone at 25mg for the first three days of my recent cycle, and ran it as high as 75mg - 25mg split every 8 hours on cycle. Some days I would only remember to get in 25mg or 50mg, but those days were few.

My experiment starting tonight (November 15, 2013):
- take one 25mg tablet ed
- run this for three days along with my normal PCT protocol consisting of:
starting day 14 after last injection: one time shot of 100mcg triptorelin, then day 15 start of somewhat typical PCT: Clomid @ 100/100/50/50, and Raloxifene 60/60/30/30
- day 4 (from now) depending on my results, increase Proviron to 50mg split 25mg 2x daily.

My cycle was: 12 weeks - 150mg test e, 300 tren e, and 200 mast e, and Proviron as stated above, and for the last 4 weeks I ran a 1mg ed of a preworkout blend consisting of TNE 50mg/ml, Methandrostenolone 25mg/ml, Oxymetholone 50mg/ml, 4 Chlorodehydromethyltestosterone 25mg/ml, Methyltrienolone 750mcg/ml, with 1g prami every 5 days and 25g aromasin ed - I know this seems like a lot of Aro, but my doc prescribed it, and I tolerate it well with no sides and it worked very well)

I'll report my results here (or create a new post including this one upon your approval ED) as often as I can. This will be no less than eod. I'm a big fan of Proviron because of my three day experiment pre-cycle. So, I'm excited to see how it will effect my remaining PCT.

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Update:
Today: Sunday, 17NOV2013 - Day 19 of PCT

I've taken 25mg Proviron for two consecutive days now. First dose was day 17 (Friday, 15NOV13) before bed along with my normal PCT: (now at) 12.5 Aromasin, 50mg Clomid, 30 mg Raloxifene.

Results: PCT has felt progressively better for the past week. Initially, I had some mood swings, bad acne, low libido and performance issues during the first week. I noticed my symptoms subsided going into week 2 and have gotten noticeably better with each passing day. Going back to the day before I started PCT, I took a 100mcg shot of Triptorelin and noticed an almost immediate increase in size in my testes and within 20 minutes I experienced a solid erection for no particular reason except that I was just lying on my back taking a nap in the afternoon.

I had bloodwork done October 3 - results are here: http://www.eroids.com/pics/estrogen-was-3875-on-oct.-3-2013-labs-august-...

In my opinion, the estradiol number from this lab work was erroneous. I've seen a lot of these false estradiol numbers from guys who've done a 19-not cycle. It seems to be a particular problem with Lab Corp. specifically. I had bloodwork done again at exactly my 2 week mark after my last injection (see cycle above).
I don't have the actual report, but I received a text from my doc: Only thing back so far: LH and FSH are not suppressed. Normal: LH is 5.4, FSH is 4.1, Estradiol is 22.2, range is 7.6 - 42.6. So it it was clearly a false estradiol number from the Oct. 3 bloodwork.

Today, I feel like I did when I was 25 - performance wise. Much higher sensitivity and came fairly quickly - less than 10 minutes. My testicles are noticeably larger than prior to the triptorelin shot. I only wish I would have actually measured them somehow, at various stages of the cycle and currently. Calipers perhaps?

It's difficult to say at this point if Proviron is exclusively responsible for the better performance since I was feeling progressively better anyway. But I do notice an overall better feeling in all areas most notably performance. In fact it's been a huge improvement . I have a bloodwork appointment scheduled for November 27. This will be approximately 12 hours after my last administration of PCT including Proviron. As I previously stated, I'll be updating here every other day, and most likely will start a new thread including Ed's original post and all my results for this experiment.

... 'till then, bro fist!
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Update: Saturday, 23NOV2013

I apologize for not updating all week. I had a family matter that required my attention through the entire week.

Regarding the experiment, so far, so good. I've actually stayed at the 25mg instead of increasing to 50mg. I feel great, almost as though I'm on cycle again. I was getting a little smooth - my vascularity was moderately diminishing: bicep and forearm veins not as prominent. One forearm vein in particular, I use as a benchmark. It wraps from just below the top of my forearm where it meets my upper arm and runs up and around along the medial head of my tricep. This vein disappeared. Now it's back.

The big question with this experiment is: what is the individual effect of the Proviron? It's really impossible to quantify due to the other variables occurring in PCT. My natty test is likely recovering through PCT and determining the difference from adding Proviron is highly unlikely. One positive note for the use of Proviron is that it absolutely has not hurt my recovery. I'm scheduled for final bloodwork for this cycle on 27NOV13 which will be approximately twelve hours after my last PCT plus Proviron dose. This bloodwork should be very interesting.

I'll be starting a new thread with most of the above from Ed and myself. I've obtained Ed's approval to do so and plan to have it up by the end of this weekend. It will be ongoing until my bloodwork of 27NOV13.

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UPDATE: Monday, 25NOV2013, 3 AM

Nothing new to report. I haven't noticed any difference in either positive or negative sides. Still feeling as I stated in my last update.

One very good point made by Ed is that I should wait until all PCT substances and the Proviron have exited my system prior to getting the final bloodwork done which was originally scheduled for Nov. 27, 2013. So I've postponed my final bloodwork appointment until next week at some point. I'll update with the date and results as they become available.

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UPDATE: Wednesday, 27NOV2013 04:15 AM

Final day of PCT with taking 25mg Proviron. Nothing new to report. I've been feeling very good, no mood swings or other negative estro sides. No negative nor positive sides except that since I have no negative sides, that in itself is positive. Again, the only way to tell what's really happening within my systems is to get my final bloodwork for this PCT. I've rescheduled for next Tuesday afternoon - 03DEC2013. The next several days may give some indication since I'll no longer be taking any PCT items nor Proviron. I'll report if I feel any different if this should happen.

Update @ 8 PM

I don't know what's going on, but I've had random erections all day. Maybe it's my sleep patterns, or maybe it's that plus the PCT and Proviron. I haven't had a day like this in a while. Not since I was on cycle. And I'm pissed off that my GF is menstruating right now. She says, "Can't it wait until Friday?" I tell her it's fine, I like the blood, and besides I may not be this 'ready' on Friday. And she tells me that it will extend her period for three more days like it did last month. It's tough to argue with her on this. So my strategy is to pamper her so much that she can no longer resist :-D
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The bottom line here is that the optimal way to truly accumulate data and advance the knowledge base is to run a more controlled experiment where various test subjects of various ages, who've run various cycles of various lengths are monitored very closely for compliance and bloodwork at multiple stages both during cycle and PCT. Otherwise we're simply guessing based on how we feel. And to me this is not a good gauge for answering the intended questions of this post as listed above.

In the mean time, 27NOV2013 was my last day of PCT with Proviron and as I said, I'll continue to update with results - most importantly, results of my bloodwork of which I will include links to all my bloodwork as it relates to this cycle and PCT, including pre-cycle and post-cycle.

A special thanks to Ed for creating the spark for this post and experiment.

Stay tuned...

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UPDATE: Saturday, 24JUN2016 9PM

All apologies for the long delay in this update. I've had many high-priority, pressing family matters which have kept me away from this community and site.

In conclusion of this personal Proviron experiment:
1.) I believe that Proviron is one of the best AAS available regarding benefit vs. risk (adverse sides).

2.) I DO NOT believe (*for me personally) that continuing Proviron through PCT is a good idea.

  • Clarification on #2 above: I want to stress that some substances affect everyone differently to a varying degree. For example, some people do not respond to morphine. I know this because I am one of those people. Proviron was fantastic while I was on cycle. I cannot say whether Proviron is of any benefit during PCT and for me I don't believe it was helpful because it actually continues the cycle.

NOTES:
1.) I'm gyno proned and believe that Proviron actually helped surpress it during my cycle yet exacerbated my gyno post cycle.

2.) I do not believe in PCT any longer. I think PCT creates a radical imbalance to the HPTA despite what it's objective. Of course PCT vs. blasting and cruising vs. no PCT whatsoever is a subject too extensive for this thread.

Again, this is my opinion based on my personal experiences regarding Proviron and its use through PCT.

november1's picture

Read ir like a book.
Will do more research in PCT and proviron.
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Pale's picture

I'll save you the trouble. Don't do it

PIN_CUSHION's picture

Lmao!

Sluggerp123's picture

I run proviron with most of my cycles. Not only does it improve libido, frees up test but it also makes me feel good overall. When I run it with Masteron it’s a great combo. I’ve always stayed at 50mg a day; is it worth doing a higher dose ?

strong123's picture

Masteron and proviron........ My hair would fall out in clumps: )

BJ's picture

I feel like Proviron makes me wet(lubrication) more & bigger loads! GF lives when I'm on it. My underware always have wet(lubrication) stains.

BJ's picture

I'm not embarrassed by it; it's the truth.

Prince.Amir's picture

LOL

BJ's picture

I don't have an STD & if somebody's body acts different than yours you dont need to publicly shame them. Proviron increases some people semen levels dramatically. This blog is to help people isn't it? If someone's taking finasteride and dutasteride & it's affecting their semen levels...well this kind of information would help them. Or do we live in a world with if it doesn't happen to your body it's not possible?

BJ's picture

Male lube exists before ejaculation!

Prince.Amir's picture

LMAO

Forehead's picture

Hehe

helllord20's picture

Males definitely produce lubricants in the gland around the penis and foreskin.

BJ's picture

Pre cum..pre jack..dick lube...wet! Same shit

Forehead's picture

just agree to disagree and let it go.... it also says precum can’t get girls pregnant but there’s probably a million babies born in the last 5 years that say otherwise

BJ's picture

Don't be ignorant! Look up male pre ejack!

Pale's picture

What in the actual fuck?

Greg's picture

Anal leakage?

Prince.Amir's picture

Hhahaha

Taten's picture

From what I understand, in Europe proviron is designed simply to substitute for the missing androgens in the body. It is not suppresive if taken in moderation.

Pale's picture

It doesn't work, don't do it.

Taten's picture

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2892728
"Mesterolone had no depressing effect on low or normal serum FSH and LH levels but had depressing effect on 25% if the levels were elevated. There was no significant adverse effect on testosterone levels or on liver function."

Scandinavian.Solution's picture

Great info

bolitekurac's picture

I run Proviron (when available) thru the first 2 weeks of PCT. 2nd week I taper off. This has helped me not to crash and lose strength abruptly. In my opinion Proviron should not be taken "for pct" , but just to help ease off the cycle.

YatesFan's picture

Great and interesting read. I'm going to try proviron through my next cycle for its effects on increasing free test...interested in what results I'll get.

Baerney's picture

Thank you. Interesting informations that you found and very usefull Smile

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Denser's picture

Final Update is finally in.

And since my original post, others have done this experiment: here's a good one:
https://www.eroids.com/pics/proviron-as-a-bridge-lab-results-after-7-weeks

Pale's picture

Good post brother. I tried it too and found out myself

Pale's picture

Yea, I think I will

Denser's picture

Thanks brothers! There are a very few members on this site that I truly feel have the knowledge and experience that place them in 'guru' status. Darth and Hooker are exemplary masters.

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Updated 27NOV2013 (twice: 04:15 AM and again at 08:00 PM)

rookiemedic2.5's picture

On my last cycle,Prop/Npp. I continued the Proviron 25mg every morning over the whole pct.
Mainly because I felt great while taking it. I didn't get the usual low feeling during pct. And because I had enough at that dose to run untill 2 days after my nolva and clomid finished. No Bloodwork at end of pct. Yes I read the mixed opinions about continued suppression but felt inclined to try it.
Blood work 5 months later showed me back where I started.
I am using 50mg a day on this current cycle. I haven't decided on using it during pct again.

Denser's picture

Thanks for the feedback bro. +1

Blood work 5 months later showed me back where I started.

So you had bloodwork done prior to starting the cycle, and then 5 months after showing the same or similar numbers to pre-cycle bloods?

Denser's picture

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rookiemedic2.5's picture

exactly, blood done at the start. and blood done 5 months after finishing pct.

Denser's picture

At least your bloods showed a full recovery, correct? And you didn't have the usual 'low' feeling during PCT. What about immediately after PCT - were you feeling back to normal 100%?

rookiemedic2.5's picture

Yup, Bloods showed full recovery. I felt great after PCT, but whether its the result of the Proviron use or because I had used pharma grade everything..who knows.
I guess I could attempt the Proviron use during pct again ,as I have all the same pharma products, and compare from last time. and maybe this time get blood a bit earlier.

Denser's picture

That would be beneficial mostly for yourself. And if you share your results, we'd all benefit.