long term prolactin?
so i finished my comp blast aug 1 that consisted of tren e and ace among other things that arent relevant here. i continued taking caber .5mg eod to start then tapered to e3d to prevent any rebound from the long ester....i finished this mid october. I stay on ai year round a heavy doses even when im cruising. Last week i raised my test to my blast dose and about 5 days ago i noticed my left nipple was a little puffy...i found it odd bc it would not have nearly enough time for the increase in long estered test to convert to any significant amount of e2. Well this morning i noticed a small bit of discharge from the same nipple. I never had any issues during the blast with tren. Doesnt seem like there would be any significant amount of tren left in my system...its been 4 months since last injection of tren e. Obviously I will be going for more bloodwork as soon as I can get it scheduled this week but im wondering what the fuck could be going on here?
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Wow all of this is going to make my head explode! You guys make me feel like one dumb motherfucker. This is the most informative post I have read in months. All of you below are gods. Information like this is priceless!
Dammm didn't even get a chance to chim in !!
ClassyChassisCould be that your D2 receptors are down-regulated from the caber and this is now affecting prolactin production/regulation.
There are also some antipsychotic medications associated with prolactin elevation, the main causative factor appears to be a higher peripheral-to-central dopamine receptor potency of either the parent drug or its active metabolite (e.g. risperidone, 9-hydroxy-risperidone and amisulpride).
Recreational use of GHB/GBL could cause this also. The basic problem is probably that your D2 receptors are out of whack.
Well, the antipsychotics are dopamine receptor antagonists. Like anti-caber.
Also very plausible...I used to do an inhuman amount of blow so I'm pretty sure my body has no clue what a normal dopamine level is...great add
MakaveliCD7Looks like the wisdom has been given!!
tread-mBaDayum! M to the Veli whaaad up playa! Betta holla atcha boy cuz lets make it rain in oil town brother!
If it turns out you need to start up new ap regimen after blood tests I'd recommend prami over caber honestly.. it just worked soooo much better for me than caber.. not to say caber doesn't work fine but the puffy nip issues and moodiness literally went away the first week.. only draw back being prami can screw with your sleep when your trying to build up the dose.. once you're used to it there's not much of an issue there.
ZewiAnabolXeating more foods containing vitamin B6, such as potatoes, bananas, wild salmon, chicken and spinach. Also, according to a study published in "The Lancet," supplementation with zinc decreased prolactin levels in the participants. also there is haste tree, supplment "Vitex agnus castus" that lowers prolactin levels
Very good info...ill resume the OTC supplements as well and wait for bloodwork and the doc to determine he underlying cause.
AnonCouple of Bosses doing work up in here! Looks like ur squared away L!
tread-mHaha...zup zup homie!
tread-mProlactin can " get out of whack" and stay that way for a very long time withouf correction. Same with many hormone issues. Such as t-3 to t-4 conversion with a gh suppression. Can stay "stuck" for a year or more without atfention.
In your case one has to consider at one point you may have had bunk anti prolactin or even that long term use caused the loop to become accustomed and adapt. Grab up a good AP and begin the protocol ...right as rain very soon i imagine.
Very Very good My Friend !!
MakaveliCD7I felt the same on the bunk and naturally the issues with the feedback after prolonged periods but I think homeostasis will return just like ur axis resets eventually esp if ur young enough but not as so on older age fellas such as us
AnonThat's good to know cuz I've done this in the past. Gone from a Tren blast to a Deca blast with a mediocre cruise in between of not very long to allow the prolactin to settle. I ended up running the Caber all the way through for close to 6.5months. Never had any nips issues but after reading this I don't think ill ever do that again
ZewiAnabolXwell said sir. good to see you
thank you tread! i appreciate the info...so in a sense by body could have adapted to base its regulation on prolactin levels because of my long term AP use?
tread-mRight...that is pretty common with many drugs and in part why i will drop things i use long term for a short term here and there. Kinda help keep the body from falling into lazy patterns and prevent some of the adaptations. Just dropped everything for a week here restarted all today literally 5 minutez ago. In my mind it kinda wakes up all the loops and they say "wtf"...then brjng itall back and let it have to work and adapt. I dropped all supps , gear, ai, ap, gh...all of it and said "suk on that!" Had began feeling shitty that made it worze for a sec then better now today feek great and back to it. Just my own theoriez and what has worked for me but falls under that "too much of a good thing" thought process. Even with eating...i firmly believe you are healthier if you dont eat clean 365. Cram a nasty ass double greasy spoon loaded cheeseburger and friez down your throat here and there or eat pizza till you wanna puke.bkeeps the body workkng and keeps it from finding patterns, getting lazy and inefficient.
Ok that actually makes a lot of sense... the body does the same aort od thing wih insulin sensitivity...administer it decreases, stop for a few weeks back to normal. I have been constantly on an ai for a while so I'm sure it's effectiveness has been reduced which is only compounding the problem. Ill drop that and and resume again with the ap in a week and see what happens.
AnonDepending on the AI be careful and stay on too of the symptoms. Are u on Adex?
I switch between adex and letro...adex on cruise and letro for blast
ZewiAnabolXUnderstand these are type type-II aromatase inhibitors---meaning they compete with the substrate for access to the binding site on the aromatase enzyme. where a type-1 does not compete it doesn't have to like aromasin. So a type 2 if your not taking all the time will release--its why you see people taking Adex or letro and than stop and in a week see an estor spike, because it will let go.. where if your taking aromasin it doesn't let go of the aromatase enzyme it kills it, so it will take longer for estor to bounce back in your body.
I will likely switch to aromasin after I finish my stockpile of adex and letro
ARO always cleans me up ! But this is just my body my body reacts great to ARO.
ZewiAnabolXX2
tread-mBig cuz in da house!
Have your pituitary function tested brother. Years ago I had a benign tumor on my pituitary and it was increasing prolactin levels. I don't even remember the medicine they gave me but I assume it was caber or prami. They remove it and I didn't suffer from it again. But I do remember before they discovered it the doctor said if the pituitary function is swayed in even the slightest ways it can cause an increase.
He wasn't even speaking of a tumor just the function being thrown off, With the stuff we all take that is very easy to do for sure. I hope it gets solved quickly my doctor said that even what I had was more common then people think
i will definitely have it checked out...i wouldnt be surprised at all if mine wasnt functioning normally. that is the price you pay for some things
You might find this article helpful buddy. It really explains well about the off balances
http://pituitary.ucla.edu/body.cfm?id=47#PituitaryAdenomasCauses
I will have a look and see...I appreciate all your help!
tread-mVery common...i have had 2 friends with it here and one in "real world". Nice P
Yeah that is encouraging for anyone here to hear! Because when you first get the news you only hear TUMOR! I wish when I first had it someone could have said those words to me.
tread-mI had a good friend here scared to fng death with it recently felt horribe for him i wont mention here but as you say...it really was nothing. Your fidst thought goez to theze giants born with a tumor and grow into :Andre"! Lol....have a gym friend here who actually had a very large brain tumor (kinda off topic not pituitary). Anyway his head is scarred 4 directions and they told him he would neved lift again......16 days later he wS in the gym and I'll tell you thiz...when he's in the gym and i work bezide him...I BRING MY TRIPLE A GAME THIS NOOKA BRANG IT!
Point is they dont know us, we're not normal we are the 1% and nothing but a casket will shut us down!
My brothed was jn a big bar fight couple years ago running a huge cycle big gh the whole 9. He took a pipe to the face and crushed his orbital. Little plates all through and around to reconztruct and at hiz 2 week checkup doc called jn the whole staff amazed. All they did was remove stitches nk swelling or black left etc. Doc said "what all are you on, your healling is at the 6 week point in 2 weeks!" Lmao....2 of the staff got his gh source! Lol
We're not right brother but we are right where we belong!
That is a really good quote!!! So true about the 1% I have never understood those who find contentment in mediocrity. With great risk comes great reward and yet the risks are calculated that is what separates us from the fool who doesn't achieve!
tread-mBeautiful Pank! I'm telling you pink ans i discuss this non-stop. Walk through walmart i juzt want to grab people and shake them and say "wtf are you doing to yourself!"
Some talk show i saw guys says "when i hit 500 lbs a light went off and i knew i couldn't do this anymore". LMAOOOOOO...ONLY IN AMERICA PANK! NOOKA YOU DONT HAVE A 3 OR 4 HUNDRED POUND LIGHT ARE YOU FNG KIDDING ME!
It is brother epidemic and the worse part is it is more of a telling how weak people are mentally and emotionally now. This is what is guiding all the future generations. I have told people especially vets because i have accessibility. I say brother you fucking killing yourself slowly and painfully...shit there are quicker ways.
These things have spread every where as you well know and the rest of us in society will reap the consequences because it is now becoming acceptable due to the massive numbers!
tread-mSooooooo acceptable pank hell look at the shit people feed their kids! Makes me so sad, fizh sticks fries, frozen pizza and every canned and processed sort of food there is. Look around at schools. By the age 15 half the boys have gyno :(
It sickens me, saddens me, makez me want to give up on this country somstimes! I wont of coudze very patriotic but my God we are the fatest laziest most disgusting society on earth! Going anywhere in public i really do get sad and pissed at the sMe time. People just dont have any self respect at all anymore. Lets be clear....its not vanity to just respect yourself for Gods sake.
THASSS RIIIGHHHT
tread-mBOOM!