+ 2 The Beauty of Bunk Gear
Since I've been here I've ordered from three sources. Two of those sources are no longer around. I'm frustrated because I feel like the gear l've gotten from all three is either really weak or completely bunk. I'm waiting on some blood work that will tell me what's really going on. I'm sitting here feeling pretty damn frustrated. I feel like I need to vent!
Then it occurred to me, shit I hope it was all bad because that would mean I'm this size naturally. I do have some rx test and some gear I brewed so that's not completely true. If I haven't gotten any good gear since I've been here, just wait until I get my hands on something decent. I'm going to run TRT dose test for a few months before my next bulk, to make sure it's not just receptor saturation I'm experiencing.
Anyone else been frustrated lately, feeling the gear they have is crap?
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Ive Enjoyed the oils from alot of suppliers on the site. However i have yet to be successful with orals in liquid or capsule form.
Gee whiz bros. There are sources out there that have been in business for more than 10 years. No one has that type of longevity in this business from selling junk. Some of those same sources count their worldwide customer bases in the 100,000's. You don't get that fucking big from selling bunk gear. Some of those same sources have manufacturing operations that look like Pfizer Labs. I have used the same large quasi pharm grade UGL for 8 years. I have never ever been left thinking shit like "I wonder if it's working." Finally, the sources I am thinking of are among the top sources on this website. I have never had a reason to shop around. The HGH that bought from my same source from China is phenomenal - brand, not generic. Expensive! Did I do the IGF-1 test? Yes. Only because it was so damn expensive and my first major purchase of something the source does't make in it's own lab. Result: the all stuff from China is bunk line doesn't fly with me one little bit - it BS as far as I am concerned. I do think really big operations with millions invested like the lab I am thinking of really do run their businesses with an extreme emphasis on customer delight. BTW, I do labs every three weeks when I run a lot of gear - and the bloodwork always shows the side effects I would expect from the compounds I am running.
BigBmajI've seen some blood work - check pictures section for lab pics, and seen some of the big guys failing pretty hard.
Look, I know the problem is most likely me. But 20 days of 100 mg Anadrol resulting in weight loss is pretty suspect. I was venting, I do think there are some great UGL labs I just haven't found one yet.
last Abomb run i did went like that bro.... im fkn sure it was either cheap fkn winny or just filler ???... you know when you have good Abombs you just cannot escape that little headache thats in the background.
you hit the spot bro, ive been running high test/deca/dbol, my gains sux im stuck at 240, ive been eating way more red meat, changed my workout routine in hopes of better results.. im lossing my mind here trying to fig out why the scale is not moving... fr sent for source discussion
BigBmajRequest accepted. I don't even go near the scale, it's too frustrating. It seems to fluctuate by 12 lbs on any given day. If my gear is good then food is my weak point. I went and bought a 1/4 cow the other day so I've been eating steak all day long to see what that does. My training is on point, I'm lifting my ass off. I think I'm just going to accept it. The body doesn't want to bulk right now. Time off is the only thing I haven't tried.
Bloods are the only way other than gear testing to know for sure. With UGL gear it is truly a shot in the dark, I suppose weak gear is better than no gear but I don't put my faith in any UGL gear. Especially when you here about the sources using pharm and not their own gear lol. I think that says it all.
BFG had a really good write up about the differences, I will try to find the link. I am looking now in to obtaining some various pharma gear and I am planning on cycling on pure UGL gear and getting bloods and then on pharma gear and getting bloods. Just simple compounds same cycles of course with time off in between. To see if I can gain some accurate knowledge into the differences. I will be doing bloods before in the middle and at the end of the cycles. If I see a great difference I will start investing into pharma gear even though more costly it will be worth every penny. Except in the cases of needing specialty compounds.
BigBmajCongrats on the 600. I will be very interested to see the outcome of your little experiment. I didn't know the sources didn't touch their own gear - that's very telling. I think that statement alone sold me on pharma for life brother.
what do you mean the sources don't touch their own gear.. generalizations don't fly with me
You can even get fake pharma, so you still gotta be careful when you order.
absolutely!!!!
Thank buddy. I can't speak for all the sources but I have witnessed on here discussions where some sources use pharma and were asked why when they have there own gear.
THIS is the reason I come "OFF" every 18months or so... It sucks intially but well woth it in the long game
BigBmajGod it's fucking terrible. The minute someone says I'm looking leaner I flip. I could have ten gorgeous women tell me I look awesome that day, but if one big guy says anything I cry. Ego is a motherfucker.
Why do you think I'm going to yoga now? skinny guys are número uno at the studio. That's where I'll be the next six months.
Preaching to the choir brother! :))
RustyhookerPossibly saturated. Modify foods and switch up gym workouts.
BigBmajI am, I have, and I have. How long should I take? I was thinking 4-6 months of ultra low dose test.
RustyhookerIf you're not trt.....gotta go straight natural. If trt then trt dosing and good off recovery time. I ran 24Weeks last winter and took 6mo off. Everyone reacts differently.
BigBmajI am TRT, my natural level is 245 or something shitty like that. I'm going to use 200 mg a week and see where that tests, id love to sit at 900 or so.
RustyhookerThat dose should have you well over 900. Nothing like good ol blood testing.
BigBmajThey were drawn yesterday. I wonder what insurance is going to say when they see $1000 worth of blood tests? I had her test everything I could possibly think of.
RustyhookerBut ya gotta know. Insurance is one reason folks use privatemdlab.com . Keeps em from getting edgy. But here...you need to know full scan.
BigBmajYeah I know I looked into the private places but it's a no deal because of state laws.
I had a reason for everything I tested. My doctor and I had to stretch a few things like "drastic weight gain" for igf and serum GH. I have an endo who can justify everything else. I'll probably end up getting the bill, or maybe Obama will pick up the tab.
lol... thats the phenomonon when you run gear regularly bro, only way to be sure is bloods... simple as that!.... i can run MONSTER stacks and i swear i dont get the "feel" i remember from my first ever run with basic 250mg of test and a fist full of old indian pronabol caps...... i think it must be similar to being an alcoholic and creating a normalising effect not knowing that you are always two parts drunk all the time .
BigBmajDammit Vike! I just want to get drunk again, like when I was a kid.
LMAO!... you seen how i spelt phenomononnem ....fk me bro! i think i am drunk lol...lol
AnonVIKE be like.... faaaaa nemonmeomnomnomMOM
BigBmajLow levels of test got my brain all hemmed up too brother.
I saw somewhere you were planning on coming off??? Is it true?? How the hell are you going to handle it?
i was thinking about it but other plans have just been ironed out and it looks like i will be going the opposite way and going BALLISTICALLY MASSIVE MIND BLOWING STACKS to head towards my new goal bro.... this may be my last big comp ever so im taking a "devil may care" mindset onboard for this one.
I've had the opposite experience from several sources. Mid cycle blood work has always shown the gear to be good. I doubt it's weak keeping in mind my (relatively) low dosage; definitely not bunk.
BigBmajNice to see someone running lower doses. Yeah I have noticed this to be the case for very many people here. Unfortunately I am not one of them. But I will keep trying.
Fr sent. Curious to as what sources you had issues w
One good experience long time ago nd two bad ones. +1 for being honest man
BigBmajI'm not trying to blame this place. I think this place is really pretty good. I just can't believe how much bunk gear is on the market. A gram of testosterone can be purchased for about a dollar, so putting crap out doesn't make any sense to me.
I dont blame this place either I just have the same opinion u have. I dont understand how can people sell smtg that is totally crap
Lazy get rich quick mentality that's ruining everything for everyone in any other aspects of life.. It's not just gear sources look at most businesses today
BigBmajYeah man it's a bummer. I really think the vast majority of the problems we are seeing in this game is coming from china. They ads apparently sending out vast quantities of total trash expecting the stupid Americans to gobble it up, and we are.
I also have observed the tendency for people to stick up for a source - assuring us they have excellent product. "That GH is the best I've ever used it makes my hands numb...." Why wouldn't we all be working towards making sure everything is good". I'd rather know the GH I'd been buying was junk rather than argue with blood tests.
I don't see people demanding quality and I can't quite figure out why? Because it's the black market? We can expect quality in my opinion.
Chinese products I try to avoid all together.. as for source expectations.. I've seen some people refer to sources basically as street drug dealers.. When you view them in that light then I guess you wouldn't expect much would you.. I don't see them as basic drug dealers and if I did I'd just give up on juicing all together.. Steroids are a lot more complicated than scoring a dime bag or eight ball in the back of a 7/11.. It actually takes some intelligence to brew gear and dose it correctly let alone take the time to give the advice a lot of these guys do.. So in that sense I expect very good quality from sources and I won't compare them to fucktard drug dealers until they start acting like one
There's usually a pattern before a bad source bails.. their favorite nut hugger hugs those nuts nice and tight and attacks any one who complains about quality in their intro or review page.. but the complaints start adding up as each week passes.. and I've seen this over and over.. soon they stop responding to complaints.. next thing you know people are out of money and the source is MIA
brother 98% of the gear purchased IS sourced from China... and yes sometimes a SRC gets a bad batch of raws, it happens
It can't be helped.. I'm speaking mostly on the sources from the past that just up and disappear and the pattern I've seen.. yes bad batches come and some do stick around after