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need help as i have pretty bad gyno now, and starting having tits :-) im now on 600 test and 400 deca a week and 40mg dbol a day, already running anastrazole 0.5 EOD.

now question is do i try run it 0.5 ED or what to do ?

thanks

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ok bit update guys

i drop dbol to 20mg a day and start 1mg adex a day, tities going slowly down so i think i might be on good path.

thanks to everyone for input

OmNom's picture

If I were in your shoes and I had BAD gyno like you're saying.. I would approach it this way.

  • Drop the dbol AND deca
  • Drop the test dose to a trt lvl of 200mg a week until estro settles down..
  • Raise my adex dosage to 1mg today and take .5mg the next day.. If sides continue then up it back to 1mg and if you have nolva on hand it wouldn't hurt to use that as well until you get your other ancillaries
  • I would order some prami or caber and letro with aromasin would be a must.. I know that sounds like a bit of money but frankly you should have ALL of that on hand before starting any 19nor cycle to avoid possible situations like this.
  • Run blood work!!
  • When everything settles I would begin pct

Let me know if you need help with sources or dosing

4speed's picture

i did similar cycle before but with lower dosages and didnt had problem at all. i have all gear ready and running already adex after i been running proviron, but i read some bad stuff around internet about proviron and switch to adex and now i have gyno. this lumps are not new to me and i get them sometimes on one side and then they just gone after while without me doing any changes in my lifestyle, food, supplements etc etc.
i dont know if i can blood work done, must look into it as im in UK.

im still learning what to do when on cycle etc etc and all stuff around AI is bit spanish vilage for me, did some reading but its so much different oppinion around i cant really get my head around sometime.

i also have PCT sorted

thanks man

mwagner630's picture

are you running an anti prolactin also, deca converts test to estrogen more effectively than most other compounds and the prolactin is also aggravated by estrogen. are you leaking out the nipples at, you may need to squeeze to find out. you should be running prami or caber with the AI
also if its just puffiness and not lumps, you will notice a difference quickly once you start to get the E2 down

4speed's picture

no prolacting at all, its just hard lumps, but i get them once in while normaly on one side, but this time on cycle i have them on both sides.

mwagner630's picture

dbol is gyno fire for me it just makes my estro go out of control in a day. bump the anastrozole to 1mg a day till its under control and you may want to consider dropping the dbol till its sorted out. also pick up some aromasin asap, anastrozole only blocks estrogen receptors so the risk of rebound is pretty high. aromasin will kill the estrogen. so your body can not take it up. you may have to play around with dose till its under control to maybe even going higher than 1mg a day to get it straight. everyone is different. play around and get a feel for it.

4speed's picture

i have few days left on dbol, but i think thats my problem too and considering another oral for next cycle but not sure what.

can you recomend any good aromasin ? i have only 2 suppliers but i dont see anything with one of them only adex and letro and second one is closed till 25th.

thanks for help

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Cheatnnature's picture

You need to bump it up to .5mg Ed for the next couple days if no reduction bump it to 1mg Ed if still no reduction you have bunk ai. And need letro stat!

4speed's picture

thanks im going try 0.5 ed for week and see what happen. im sure is not bunk stuff as its farma grade anastrazole

thanks

Cheatnnature's picture

Caber and vit b12 start ASAP. That is also causing your flare to be so intense.