posted Fri, 06/14/2013 - 20:42
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+ 4 How much HGH is required to GET BIG
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With insulin of course (I still don't understand why anyone would run hgh without slin)
what would be the lowest amount you can run and still get big results?
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whats up I'm new to HGH i plan on ordering some blue tops starting out at 2ius a day for one month, then uping it to 4ius a day 5 days on 2 days off throwing in some test 600mlgs and tren 300mlgs a week for 12 weeks, PCT Nolva what else would do well to run with my Nolva as a PCT? I've also read that HGH can cause breast growth and lactation what would i need to have readily on hand if this were to occur please offer up information please. may later throw in slin but kinda nervous i dnt wanna pass out and die
leave out the slin. Pm me if you have any questions bro.
I'll get you some help with your cycle friend
Just wanted to add my progress so far regarding hgh/slin/aas
The last 4 weeks i have added 18lbs from 200 to 218, bodyfat has actually dropped a little bit, keeping calories fairly high in clean solid food, but i pig out like hell on weekends.
Been using 5iu ED with kigs (now hyges) 2x5iu slin (morning and pwo) 500mg Test-e 400mg Tren-e 600mg EQ and 30mg dbol
So far so good, alot of water retention obviously, but i look so freaking solid from day one to this point.
More vascularity, insane pumps, speedy recovery, strenght is also up the roof
Pulled a 575 1RM on deadlifts the other day, yesterday i did 405x3 on the bench wich for me is pretty good.
Sides so far: My joints freaking HURT, shoulders and traps/neck feel really painfull, my hands go numb all the time, and i am really tired all day (probably from the slin and carbs)
Wow thanks for the update!! This is what I want to hear on this post man! Are you using humalog?
18 pounds is incredible keep it up and let's see how much mass you end up keeping bro. Thanks and don't be afraid to continue updating. I'm still waiting on some HGH kits before I can begin.
Yes I get tired some times on slin. That's a early sign of hypo so make sure to keep BG up. Are you using a glucometer? Also eat a few more carbs and protein!! Be safe bro
Great site I learned about insulin on
http://www.basskilleronline.com/first-time-insulin-user.shtml
Yea basskiller is very helpful. Lots of good info there
Vewiwas unsure to post this in here.. but if it is it can always get deleted.
Slin
USING A DOSAGES OF 4-10 UNITS, IS GOOD AND SHOULD BE USED RIGHT AWAY POST WORKOUT. HUMALOG SEEMS TO WORK THE BEST, IT CAUSE A PAPID SPIKE AND CLEAR OUT THE SYSTEM QUICKLY. yOU CAN USE IT SUB-Q OR USE HUMULIN-R INSTEAD, BUT EACH WILL RESULT IN A LONGER ACTIVTY WINDOW, THUS LONGER TIME TO AVOID EATING ANY FATS AND WATCHING FAT DURING INSULIN'S ACTIVE WINDOW. THE WINDOW ARE LISTED BELOW
HUMALOG -IM 3-4 HOURS
SUB-Q-R IM 3-4 HOURS
HUMULIN-R IM 3-4 HOURS
SUB-Q 4-5 HOURS
1 - Humalog (novalog)
Humalog hits in 15 mins and peak by 50-60mins. Then goes down and is gone by the 3.5-4hr mark
2 - Humulin R (also known as novalin R)
Humulin starts working by the 30-45min mark then peaks by hour 1.5 fades by hour 3 but sticks around for a total of 5 hours.
Humalog: Of course you will start with a dose of 4iu the first day, and increase by 1iu each time. Take your time and become accustomed to it. Once you get to 6iu then you will take your time increasing, if you get hypo do not increase dose until you learn how much food you need to eat to keep blood sugar up.
All foods can raise blood sugar, carbs primarily, proteins also have a strong blood sugar effect. Fats help stabilize BG.
You NEED TO buy a glucometer and test your blood glucose (BG).
Also you will be using a shake to provide immediate nutrients for your insulin shot.
example
To start out inject Humalog (start with 4iu first) post workout
Drink shake immediately
Eat a full sized meal containing complex carbs and meat
[ex. 1 sweet potato, 8oz chicken, 1 cup green beans]
1 hour later
eat an small meal example pbj or small can tuna + banana
2 hours after inject (This is the peak and your BG will start getting lower)
Large meal - complex carbs + protein meat and a protein shake
3 hours later small meal
4 hours later another small meal (or big if u want)
Note:
- Your shake will consist of [10g glutamine, 5-10g creatine, amino acids, dextrose(10g/iu), whey protein]
- you can ALWAYS eat between meals, such as fruit like apple, grapes, raisins, or many types of foods!
- drink grape juice with your meals, it is very high in dextrose naturally
- test blood sugar if you EVER notice signs of hypo
Some Signs of hypo: headache, irritibility/confusion, shakey, strong hunger, sweating, lethargy
Luckily with a low dose anything less than 5iu I don't even think it's possible to go hypo unless you eat nothing.
You WILL know when your sugar is getting low, but test anyways with glucometer.
VewiGood stuff brother.
HGH 6 months to as long as you can afford it.
6 months
Cycle:
Weeks 1-20-30 HGH on 5 days off 2 (2-5iu MAX 8iu)
2 iu’s morning
2 iu’s early afternoon ( you can inject it sub-c into abs, obliques, front thights, upper tris.
Weeks 6-10, 16-20, 26-30 humalog (only on workout days)
8iu's immediately post workout, intramuscular (you can run humalog on 1-5,11-15,21-25, with LR3 if you prefer.
add T4 100mcg e.d
because hGH converts inactive T4 into active T3
T3 enhances many effects of GH by several mechanisms, including (but not limited to): increasing IGF-1 levels, IGF-1 mRNA levels, and finally by actually mediating the control of the growth hormone gene transcription
EXPLAINING HUMALOG INJECTION( PLEASE PAY ATTENTION)
RIGHT AFTER INJECTION;
5 MIN- DRINK SHAKE WITH 10G GLUTAMINE/10G CREATINE/55G DEXTROSE
15 MIN (20min) LATER DRINK SHAKE WITH 80G OF WHEY PROTEIN IN WATER
60-75 MINS EAT A PROTEIN / CARB MEAL WITH 40-50 GMS OF PROTEIN, 40-50 GMS CARBS, NO FAT!!!
AVOID FATS for 2-3 HOURS IF INJECTION WAS INTRAMUSCULAR. 3-4 HOURS IF INJECTED SUB-Q. 4-5 HOURS IF USED HUMULIN-R.
KEEP SOME GLUCOSE TABS OR SIMPLE CARBS ON HAND FOR THE ACTIVE WINDOW OF YOUR INSULIN. HYPO SYMPTOMS COULD HIT QUICK AND HARD AND YOU WILL HAVE LITTLE TIME TO REACT. (THIS IS THE MAIN DANGER OF INSULIN USE)!
Thanks brudda I'm no stranger to insulin been using it for 9 months now. On and off. Mostly to get a feel for it. I actually have a good routine set up. I spoke with phil (pro bb) and a few others to fine tune it. But the protocol following each injection is very similar to this one. Lately I've been using humulin R as I find it only lasts a little longer but it's slower acting so you have plenty of time to react to bring BG up and it's easier to dose a few more iu's without ever noticing a drop in sugar levels.
For the HGH I am hitting 5iu per day blue tops, my hyges will be here by the end of the week and I will probably use 3-4iu to start. I'll probably increase 1iu per month as long as sides don't appear and max out at 7-8iu. I have 5 kits on the way and will be purchasing another 5-10 in the fall so I'll have enough for 6+ months.
Will be getting some T4 as well. Thanks man this is very informative post!
Vewisame with your stuff: thanks brother
A picture says a thousand words.
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the picture is slightly exaggerated in my opinion. The humalog is spot on, but honestly humulin R feels like it's only 4-5 hours
very exaustive!!!
It's a lot of work. Takes a lot of commitment and dedication. You have to do lots of planning too, especially if you have plans to go somewhere later in the day you need to make sure your BG levels won't drop.
Not easy and takes a lot more effort than most people think. Definitely an advanced compound. But if you use it correctly the gains are incredible.
yes bro,really it must not be easy. it's also important to say that :if all is done well,there are incredible results and it' s safe as protocol..... but if something isn't done in the right way,it could be very dangerous for the life..and with poor results.
insulin should be taken seriously, and is not for everyone!only for expert users who use the brain
To be honest, no offence bro. I read a lot of your posts and you write some great stuff. But I think for a touchy subject like insulin as it is here on this board. It's a bit too generic, not enough warning or recommendations for carb intake etc. Obviously us experienced people and educated as most here are will put in the time to research properly but noobs are known for jumping into shit and trying it out just like that, Never know who can read this. I think just mentioning the synergy between hgh, slin and aas is good as that forces the person to do the research. But posts with info like this not really needed. Just my honest opinion brother.
infact he has added "was unsure to post this in here.. but if it is it can always get deleted"
brother i asked him some info about this....this post speaks about hgh (+slin implied)
That's why I posted what I did, because I think it should get deleted... Not calling him out or anything. Like I said I know what great of a poster he is. Just my honest opinion on this post that's all. But if you learnt something new form that than great buddy.
Vewio i agree. Just i was reading through and added this to this thread because of who is in it and what has been talked about.. like i said i took a risk on it.
which of you has run hgh with slin ,but without aas ?
what is your opinion j223?
well the hgh and slin alone will help you retain size but that's about it. Insulin is anticatabolic so you should be able to hold onto your mass. I would not expect to gain anything without a good dose of test though
thanks for your answer brother..good post here..
infact,there are a lot of guys around that believe that hgh is magic,that everybody can become a monster with gh or sline alone..but they are dreamers..
however with size is necessary slin,hgh and test ..and aas..
this is the truth
Of course! I love posts like this but I thank everyone for adding in their experiences for us all to learn from!
I was one of those dreamers that thought AAS + Slin would get me huge. Well I got good gains, but HGH is needed for that stack to really take off.
i usually use hgh only beetween aas cycles..i usually start it in pct....
i tried until 5ius daily of riptropin..i haven't added muscle..never..never...but i have kept my quality and the results done with aas cycle.also fatloss yes
Vewiadd T4 100mcg e.d
hGH converts inactive T4 into active T3
T3 enhances many effects of GH by several mechanisms, including (but not limited to): increasing IGF-1 levels, IGF-1 mRNA levels, and finally by actually mediating the control of the growth hormone gene transcription
So you want T4 when taking HGH not T3.
T3 and T4 if you slin.
great advice Vewi thank you
great advice. I've read about the t4 on GH because it gets converted to some t3 anyways.
I wouldn't use t3 without slin and AAS though.
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could you explain to me why t4 is better than t3...why isn't good t3 directly? a question for you or Vewi =)
maybe t3 is catabolic...please let me know thanks
When taking exogenous Growth Hormone, your body releases somatostatin. Somatostatin has many effects on the body. One of them is suppression of TSH (Thyroid stimulating Hormone). TSH has an effect on increasing the amount of T4 your body produces. IGF levels and your bodies thyroid hormones will be affected.
Adding t3 to GH will actually decrease the anabolic effect you get from GH. You need to add t4 because some of the benefits from t3 come from the CONVERSION of T4 to t3. Since GH administration suppresses t4 levels it makes sense to supplement t4 to allow your body to convert more of that inactive t4 into t3. The enzymes that convert t4 into t3 are responsible for some of GH's anabolic effects
Adding t3 to GH alone and you are decreasing the potential anabolic effects of GH.
Adding t4 to GH and you are increasing the effects of the GH.
You got to remember the endocrine system is all about balance. Supplementing t4 with GH helps maintain that balance.
I'm a nerd by the way. On saturday nights when I should have been out with friends, I was reading articles on hormones... Lol
VewiGood stuff right there brother love it.
ahah ;P ...see bro,it was useful for now =)
very good and clear exposition brother,thank you!
VewiThat's a fact sir,
Playing around with the thought of just going all in and balls out on the GH 8-10iu of brown top hyges ED
Currently 215lbs at 10%BF 5,8 tall (short)
Goal weight is 230 lbs by the end of this year
well the gh alone isn't going to do anything. It's the combination with AAS and slin that causes growth. So I guess don't expect growth from GH alone. If you understood GH, you would understand that it's pretty much not very anabolic at all without aas or slin. If you don't know anything about slin I do not suggest using it because it's can be dangerous
Obviously i would use it in conjunction with both slin and AAS
Currently running 5iu ED with test/tren/eq and slin
Sounds like a nice little stack you got there. Let us know how it goes @8iu of the Hyges
Yeah i sure will, switching over from kigs later this week
So far so good though, i think the kigs i got was legit, but i have only run 80iu so nothing major
wow haven't heard of real kigs. I bet you will like the hyges better
At 5ius a day for 20 days i have expirenced: CTS, some fatloss, more vascularity, so i am pretty sure they are legit, but we will see when i try out the hyges how good they are compared to each other.
I have also heard that the hyges kicks ass, so looking forward to it
bigtrainI was on a bottle of Serostim a day (28iu?) for 3 years or so. Before that connect came around I got the 15iu Humatropes and did 7.5 a day for about a year. Believe me, those days are long gone.
The insert mentions blood levels of IGF not rising for more than a few weeks, so I always wonder about guys with carpal tunnel after 3 days on.
I did not train for 3 years and kept 250 lbs of the 275 I was after 15 years on gear.
I do not think it makes you big. I think it makes you dense and induces hyperplasia, but there is something special that happens when you combine with T. I always thought that it was because people were spending major loot on the HGH and so they followed perfect discipline, but I am not sure now.
I also think it has a LOT to do with your body type.
BTW - my heart grew, my pancreas got messed up, and joints ache. The big one is the heart. Mitral (?) valve about twice as thick as it was. Could be that I was up to 315 at 5 foot 10 inches but I like to mention this when appropriate. It is great because even when I missed so much time from the gym, after all those years on I still got the looks but diabetes (resolved now) sucks and having a f'd up heart does too. Liver grew also.... should mention that.
Everyone is different. Worst answer, I know.
Thanks for sharing your experience Bigtrain +1
Would you mind posting your experience in here? http://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/negative-experiences-wi... I think it will really add to that thread. Thanks
bigtrainSurely. I wish I never touched it.
Can I post a pic inline here?
Vewi3iu is gtg brother.
thanks vewi what effects have you noticed at this dose
biggerthanyouWhat the fuck kind of question/thread is this?
What do you mean? Many people have stepped in and gave their thoughts in this thread, discussed dosing and effects of hgh. Obviously my original question was answered but more discussion continued on
I front loaded at 10 iu's then 8 iu ed all it did was bloat me up and eventually gave me too many sides. I went down to 6iu's then 3 iu's my my first sides were gyno induced HGH I'm one of the rare few that gets this. I noticed I got pinched nipples prolactin induced gyno so I orderd bromo, caber, lex and more aromasin. As soon as my order came in I ramped back up to 6iu's but then I started loosing sleep from my hands going numb. my hands started to swell so bad I couldn't hold my grip and and my joints were aching pretty bad. I noticed my teeth didn't line up like my jaw was was swelling or growing. My front teeth would touch but the rears wouldn't. So I took some days off and am taking 2iu's a day now. I feel much better now I'm gonna stay at this dose for a while and slowly go up to 3 maybe.
Pharmakinetics affects everybody differently so you might not get any sides but if I were u I would start out low dose and slowly go up. One other thing I started researching Acromegaly and decided to just use low doses cause I'm already pretty big i reallyI just wanted HGH for my tendons, joints and fat loss. Im using brown top hyges so i dont know how strong the synertropin is. The generic blues I bought make me real sleepy so I'm giving them to my dog. My girl Molly(screen name) is using 1.2iu's any more and her hands start bothering her
damn those are some rough sides bro. And I was thinking of starting on 5 iu pharma straight up. Think I'll go with 3iu like J