posted Sun, 06/23/2013 - 14:40
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My Cutting Cycle Opinions
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Im 5'5
185 pounds
13% bf
Age 22
3rd cycle
And my goal is 3-6% bodyfat and some lean muscle gain i have diet and workout in check here is what my current cycle looks like opinions and advice please starting in 3 weeks
10 week cycle
200 Mg Bold /2X wk 1-10
100 Mg Tren Ace /EOD 1-8
100 Mg NPP / 3X wk 1-8
100 Mg Test prop /3X wk 1-10
Winstrol 50mg /day 1-6
Clen 100 Mg /day 3 weeks on 3 weeks off
T3 125 Mg /day 3 weeks on 3 off
Basic PCT with HCG
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Test prop winny mast would he good but two dht derivatives dunno if he has male balding.
How about
Test e 500 wk 1-18
Eq undec. 600-7oo
Var week 12-18 80 -100 mg
Ai arimdex .25 e3d
Pct
Should put quality muscle on while stripping fat if you diet and get your cardio in high intensity trainingsessions..
roidsandrageVar is also not an option for me since it is so mild and the price def does not seem worth it
roidsandrageI dont have balding in my family and havent noticed any extreme side effects other than some libido probs after coming off tren but it went away in a few weeks im not too sure running mast would do me any good since i have already expirianced tren but im open to it how close to tren results would it get me?
What is your cycle experience? no ai or prolactin co trol? Man do not run this. Never run clen on cycle bp is already high cken can make it go dangerously high.. its simply .ot needed neither is t3 diet cardio and point training will be the deciding factor with gains.. a simple effective cycle will change you man if its your third cycle. If you wanna do this for youe 3rd what will you 8th or 10 h.. be like I think I have something wayy more simple effective snd you will wee great gains man you are thick for your size.
roidsandrageFirst cycle was dbol/sust cycle
Second cycle was dbol/sust/deca
Third was sust/tren ace/dbol
Never ran ai or prolactin contr but i know that i would have to do caber at .5mg everyday if i did i can get a hold of it if i need to
If it is regular EQ then it would be a big waste for less than 500-600mg weekly and at less than 14-16 weeks.
Have you ran Tren before? Where is your Caber or Prami? I would DEFINITELY not advise in running both Tren and NPP at the same time especially since there isn't any mention of Caber or Prami, and this is your 3rd cycle. More isn't necessarily always better.
IMO, there is no need for Tren or NPP with what you have going on if diet and training is on point.
Both Clen and T3 seem pretty high to start off at those dosages. Any experience with those?
And lastly, would you lay out your pct my man? and why the choice of HCG for this cycle.
Almost forgot! No AI whatsoever??
A good Test Prop, Mast Prop and Winny cycle can cut you up pretty well especially with diet, and training in check. Not against running Clen and T3 either since you really want to hit low levels of body fat, but those dosages need to be reworked a tad.
roidsandrageThe clen wouldn't start off that high i would build up to it and the t3 the same ill post my clen /t3 as well
Day 1 Clen 60mcg / T3 50mcg
Day 2 Clen 60mcg / T3 50mcg
Day 3 Clen 80mcg / T3 75mcg
Day 4 Clen 100mcg / T3 75mcg
Day 5 Clen 100mcg / T3 75mcg
Day 6 Clen 120mcg / T3 100mcg
Day 7 Clen 120mcg / T3 100mcg
Day 8 Clen off / T3 125mcg
Day 9 Clen off / T3 125mcg
Day10 Clen off / T3 125mcg
Day11 Clen off / T3 125mcg
Day12 Clen off / T3 125mcg
Day13 Clen off / T3 125mcg
Day14 Clen off / T3 125mcg
Day15 Clen 120mcg / T3 125mcg
Day16 Clen 120mcg / T3 125mcg
Day17 Clen 120mcg / T3 125mcg
Day18 Clen 120mcg / T3 125mcg
Day19 Clen 120mcg / T3 125mcg
Day20 Clen 120mcg / T3 125mcg
Day21 Clen 120mcg / T3 125mcg
Day22 Clen off / T3 125mcg
Day23 Clen off / T3 125mcg
Day24 Clen off / T3 125mcg
Day25 Clen off / T3 125mcg
Day26 Clen off / T3 125mcg
Day27 Clen off / T3 125mcg
Day28 Clen off / T3 100mcg
Day29 Clen 120mcg / T3 100mcg
Day30 Clen 120mcg / T3 100mcg
Day31 Clen 120mcg / T3 75mcg
Day32 Clen 120mcg / T3 75mcg
Day33 Clen 120mcg / T3 75mcg
Day34 Clen 120mcg / T3 50mcg
Day35 Clen 120mcg / T3 50mcg
Day36 Clen off / T3 50mcg
Day37 Clen off / T3 50mcg
Day38 Clen off / T3 25mcg
Day39 Clen off / T3 25mcg
Day40 Clen off / T3 25mcg
Day41 Clen off / T3 25mcg
Day42 Clen off / T3 25mcg
Pyramiding at the beginning with the clen doesn't seem too bad. I would keep pyramiding throughout to not fry my receptors though. I cannot really comment on T3 dosages though so hopefully someone can chime in.
I 2nd that. +1
roidsandrageI have ran tren before for 8 weeks with sustanon i havent ran EQ i was thinking it would have been a good addition but i guess not my last tren cycle didnt include Caber but i have heard a lot of people advise it would 2 19 noirs really be that bad of an idea? What are advantages / dis advantages
Here is my pct line up
Weeks 1-4- 40 mg GP Nolva per day
Weeks 1-4 100mg GP Clomiphene per day
Weeks 1-5 1mg GP Anastrozole per day
Week 1- 4,500 iu HCG
Week 2- 3,000 iu HCG
Week 3- 1,500 iu HCG
I see you have different stats in your profile are you at 13% or 11%? Hitting 3-6% seems pretty difficult with those levels and that short amount of time, but I am no expert. Just would be healthier to decrease body fat slowly throughout the years than going all out for the instant gratification.
If you have ran tren before and you reacted well to it why not run it again? Or why not give NPP a shot by itself. Experiment with your body but with one compound at a time, that way you know how you react to it and how well it works for you. But Caber and Prami are always advisable to combat prolactin sides, you really don't want to get the lactating breasts, or the very limp dick. IMO, running 2 19 noirs at the same time is just overkill, especially for guys our age, and asking for a pretty, pretty harsh shutdown if you don't have vast experience with the compounds, and again Prolactin combatants. Again I am no expert and people always seem to run or try to run both together, but if you have no need for it why do it? Run one at a time man your body will appreciate it in the long run. Caber dosages: .5mg twice a week.
If you have had successful PCTs with your line up then I don't see why to change it. People experiment with dosages with all those included in your PCT, from Clomid being 150/100/50/50 to Nolva being 80/40/40/40 and all different variations. I personally like Aromasin but your Arimidex seems a tad high for daily dosages; .25-.5mg every 3 days seems to be what guys like the most, plus you don't want to literally demolish your estrogen. HCG is generally used for longer cycles but if you already have it on hand and want to run it during PCT, the dosage I would use would be 1500-2000IU first week then 500IU last 3 weeks.
roidsandrageLast time i checked my bf was 11 i havent checked recently but i feel as if i have gained some fat so i would guess it would be around 13 at the moment i will run the caber this time and i prefere tren over npp but i have never tried npp so i felt adding it ontop would be a benefit but i guess most people advise against it so i will def be safe and just run tren but will adding masteron be a possiblity? Or should it be tren alone?
Tren and Mast work really well together; even better if you add Winny to the mix. That is what I am using at the moment and I love it. I have tried NPP to test it out and it really made me lethargic and it just overall didn't make me feel good; so Tren is definitely my choice here. I see plenty of people use NPP mostly for size gains and I would see why, short acting Deca, but in the end it all depends on diet lol. If Tren agrees with your body pretty well then use it; use the more androgenic one. What were your dosages of Tren before when you ran it?
roidsandrageIll def do the tren mast winny cycle then and run it with caber would you advise against the clen/t3 added on this stack tho?
I ran 100 mg of tren eod i was thinking the same now or 75mg ed
It will be a lot of pinning for sure though but if you're disciplined then it isn't that bad. I wouldn't advise against Clen and T3, but if you have never touched them before work your way up very, very slowly; heck, keep researching it especially in this site since there is plenty of information on both of them. I am doing Clen but my dosages stay at 40 for 2 weeks then I am off; that is all my body needs. Another thing, Tren and constant, quality cardio do wonders since Tren really takes out your stamina. Yeah start off at 60-75ED and see how it feels and work out dosages from there. Mast also at 50-75ED. Then hopefully you do not forget your Test Prop in there.
roidsandrageNo prob for me with the constant pins but i guess im not going to run the clen and t3
So ill just be running the mast tren winny test prop and ill have caber at 2x .5 mg every week thanks for helping me tweek my cycle
I would start over homie. Firat off eq needs to be run atleast 600 for a minimum of 16 weeks I do twenty. You will start noticing some gains from bold on week 9 or 10 at 400 itsprobably just going to give you a little increase in appetite..second tren ace everyday injections are necessary to keep stable bloods and keep sides to a minimum pick npp or tren man not boht, 2 19- nors is a big no no unless you are very very expeeienced with both compounds. What about prolactin control man? You will be lactating by week four and libido qill be gone you can permanently damage your lipids they will be fucked..
And clen and t3 huh? Bro between the eq and tren alone you.need to keep a close eye on bp and will NEEd to give blood by wk 6-8 ieq and tren increases rbc count
roidsandrageIm not sure i can give blood since i have tattoos any way to get around that bro?
If you run eq and tren you will get lethargic by wk 10 and both increase red blood cell count which isn't good