posted Sat, 05/11/2013 - 12:17
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-1 CJC-1295 w/o DAC & Ipamorelin
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I didn't start to see any results until I started doing the following:
CJC - 100 mcg first thing in the morning
Ipa - 200 mcg first thing in the morning
CJC - 100 mcg PWO
Ipa - 200 mcg PWO
CJC - 100 mcg before bed
Ipa - 200 mcg before bed
I've* started to shed some weight and I sleep a lot better. In fact, I'm sleepy too often. But I'm starting to see results so I'll keep to it. The only drawback is the cost. For what I'm paying, I could be on 2.5 iu of HGH 5 days on/2 days off. So, I think I may be making the switch.
Any thoughts on the above would be great. Thanks guys.
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how was the fat loss on this?
PaladinI started at a bout 15% BF so improvements will take longer and be more subtle at this stage. I have seen some very minor BF loss but honestly with the options of anabolics and HGH, the cost to benefit ratio is better with anabolics and HGH.
I think peptides are good if you are just getting started. They would also be a good option if you want to add them to an existing anabolic and/or HGH protocol. Clearly they are safer but if you're gonna go for growth hormone products, I would suggest HGH instead and if you have some extra money to work with, add the peptides to create an enhanced pulsing.
Hope that helps.
I agree. Peptides though are meant to be run for months on end just like growth. The thing I like about peptides is that you pulse your own natural growth hormones rather than using an outside source and replacing your production. A good peptide protocol can equate to roughly 5-6 ius of HGH with a fraction of the cost. So switching to 2iu of HGH wont do too much, and you have to recognize the fact you are usign the weakest GHRP out there, switch to GHRP-2, and you will like it better. Lots of users also use 500iu prebed, noticing similar results to ghrp2 with much higher doses though. Overall peptides are safer, but if you want to use much higher doses go with HGH.
The results of peptides will be seen later on as you create new cells and enlarge preexisting ones. Letting these cells mature you will notice an increase in muscle size months down the road through their mehcanisms.
Are you currently on anabolics or no? Because not to be a dick but if you havent seen results after several weeks on peptides at 15%, you need to worry about the diet rather than the products. They can only do so much.
You could try some morning cardio on an empty stomach after your Ipam/mod grf shot, that seems to do wonders for many researchers. And for the eating around your pins, I believe Alpha on another board busted that myth about eating around pins, but I cant recall off the top of my head. I believe he showed with serum results that eating does not affect the pulses in any way.
Paladincollinb, thank you for your thoughts.
In terms of the cost of HGH vs. peptides, after running the numbers and purchasing from the best priced source, the HGH comes out pretty close in cost vs. the peptides. Certainly there are a lot fewer pins and pinning required as well as trying to find the right balance throughout the day. In the next month or so I'm going to stop using the peptides unless I can budget them as an add-on to the anabolics & HGH protocol.
I did switch to GHRP-2 from Ipa and have definitely found GHRP-2 to be more effective so I will keep using it as an add-on.
As for my diet, it's actually really good. High protein, moderate fat, low carbs.
I agree that adding cardio would really help but I can't fit it into my schedule so I have to do the best I can with what I have to work with.
Thanks again for your feedback.
BigBmajHave you ever experimented with the two side by side? I've taken pharma grade HGH at 3 IU's a day and it was so vastly superior to taking 100 mcg 3 x's daily of CJC w/ and w/out and Ipa. I have read those studies showing that its equal to 5 - 6 IU's but I don't think that's the case at all.
I bumped it up to 4 or 5 times a day, just to experiment, and I still don't think its even close.
I do like the peptides but I don't like the comparison.
PaladinI'm really looking forward to using the HGH. With a good quality HGH, you can't go wrong.
PaladinJust got the GHRP-2 and pinned. Within 10 minutes I went hungry like I was starving and thirsty as hell. Ate like a pig. I'm still eating while typing this. I hope this isn't the way it's always gonna be cause I'm trying to cut not gain.
Lol try a little lower dose but yes it causes hunger!!! Use your ipamorelin at night so you dont get hungry. Wait 20 mins after injection before eating because food will blunt the amount of GH released.
You will still notice fatloss even with eating more food because the GH effects will keep you lean. If it's a big problem for you then make sure to eat lean foods like chicken, fish, or rice/potatoes, and veggies. I like shooting ghrp then slamming a big can of tuna, which has hardly any fat, zero carbs and 55g protein ! So you can cut even with the appetite increase you just gotta time the injections before your meals and eat healthy.
PaladinThanks for the follow up.
Yeah protein is my go-to food of choice. I ended up making a big ass salad and threw a couple of cans of chicken into it so I got a nice helping of protein and some greens. I struggled but I was able to wait 30 mins before eating.
BigBmajI'm following the same protocol. The biggest improvements I've seen are 1) amazing recovery 2) can not gain body fat - no matter what. I've been doing it for probably 6 months now. I don't notice a flush in the face with the shots any more, which is making me think I've lost some potency. Any thoughts on that?
I have read things in the past saying this combination was similar to 5-7 IUS of growth, which is crazy. Its not. I felt like 3 IUS GH was much more bang for my buck.
Get a blood test following your current protocol and see if your IGF is where you want it, or make the switch.
Saturation dose is 100mcg for both GHRP & GHRH, any release after that drops right off
You need to be running these long term to see any results, are you sure you're results from ramping the dose up just didn't coincide with the duration you'd been running them?
Only sides from the GHRP 2 I've noticed are sleeping too much
PaladinI've been running them for about a month and then when I increased the dose of the Ipa, I started getting very tired during the day. It might be a coincidence but as long as GHRP2 is cheaper, either that or straight HGH might be the better idea.
So, if I'm staying on the peptides, I guess I would dose GHRP2 in the morning & pre-WO and then Ipa in the evening.
Thank you for your advice.
use ghrp2 instead of ipamorelin. Its stronger and you get 5mg per bottle instead of 2mg like ipam.
I would only use ipam before bed and ghrp during the day
PaladinNo question the pricing is better but I was concerned about the sides of GHRP2, like increased cortisol. Have you experienced anything like that? I'm guessing 200 mcg/dose is optimal?
150mcg is more than enough. I get numbing of the hands from ghrp2 and zero sides. I'm also on tren which pretty much blocks the catabolic effects of cortisol lol
but ghrp2 shouldnt cause any issues. It's hexarelin you gotta worry about sides like cortisol and prl.
PaladinCool. I have Tren coming so I can't wait to add that.
The Ipa is good but it is kicking my butt. I'm sleeping way too much. I just woke up from a 2 hour nap. Killed my Saturday.
So are you pinning 3x/day @ 150 mcg/dose then? Are you running anything else like CJC with it?
Thanks for the advice.
Yes sir. I do GHRP-2 at 150mcg mixed with mod GRF1-29 (cjc1292 w/o dac).
Some people like ipamorelin before bed because it doesn't cause the appetite increase like ghrp does. Like you said ipam makes you tired which is ideal for a before bed injection.
PaladinI'm sticking with Ipam at nite but using GHRP-2 during the day.
As far as dose, from what I read 100 mcg should be plenty for someone that is about 220 lbs. I'm about 190 so 100 mcg should be good.
Also, last nite a mixed some PT-141 into it and didn't sleep well because of the constant nite-time wood. I just wish I had a girl laying next to me so I could share my experience with her.