posted Wed, 03/20/2013 - 00:52
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Test E 500mg Tren E 600mg 12 week cycle? Input please
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I plan on starting a new cycle tomorrow: 12 weeks, 500mg Test E, 600mg Tren E, maybe some d-bol the first couple weeks to get my gains jump-started. Inject twice a week. First I planned on going 750mg on the Test, but I read on some other post on here that it would be too much. Any input is appreciated!
My stats: 49 yrs old, 206 pounds, around 15% BF, started my first cycle just 2 1/2 years ago. Just finished my PCT today ( 3 weeks with HCG and some Arimedex, and cruising at 250mg Test E) after doing a 12 week, 500mg Test E, 400mg Deca cycle. This upcoming Test/Tren cycle will be my 5th cycle, but I've never used Tren before.
Thanks guys!
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AnonI got a 4 inch scar on my elbow for doing the exact same thing you are planning here......surgery if you continue the path....may already be too later....you need to see an orthopedic. ..not a reg md....go to orthopedic
Holy crap, I just read your profile; that's some scary stuff, tearing your tendon off your elbow while benching. Sounds like you did a full recovery and comeback. Way to go!!
My elbow should be fine. It had been bothering me for close to 2 months now, so I went fairly easy on it, took tons of supplements, Deca, ibuprofin, etc. The last week it started feeling much better, today it's almost pain-free. I'll keep a close eye on it; can't afford to tear anything (no health insurance). I started another thread about my tendonitis, had some great advice given by fellow eroiders. http://www.eroids.com/forum/training-nutrition-diet/workout-exercise/how...
Thanks for your input Monstar!
Update: So I'm about 3 weeks into my Test/EQ cycle. I heard that it takes about that long for the EQ to get into your system and start working. I'm doing really bad on my diet, never eating enough, so I have only gained a couple of pounds, but I'm getting stronger and leaner. The first week I went on d-bol, 25mg/day, the second, third week 50mg/day. No water weight to speak of. It's Kalpa, so I'm confident on the quality.
Side effects: the first week I had a hard time sleeping, little bit of night sweats, and crazy dreams; but everything is back to normal now. Skin is a little more oily, and I've got a little acne on my back.
I also added some Deca, not really to be part of the cycle, but because my elbow got messed up bad, and I didn't want to ruin a good cycle by taking time off.
What's up Mbuck, I'm sure your aware of this but maybe your aren't so I thought I'd just mention it. Deca will only mask the injury in your elbow is not going to heal it. So being on cycle and lifting heavy with the injury being masked by the deca you could easily do more damage to it. A thought maybe to end this cycle (yea I know ...) but you don't want to jack that elbow up any worse then it is, if you are saying it is pretty bad. Take the time to rehab it properly and come back at 100%. Good Luck brother! D_III
That's what I originally thought, that Deca just masks; but I keep hearing that it actually helps lubricating and healing joints and connective tissues.
I'm not going to give up on the cycle yet. It's been only two weeks on the Deca, and my elbow feels quite a bit better. Not sure if it's the Deca helping, or the rest, or the massages, or the ice, or the essential oils. I'll be backing off of the Deca now; if it gets worse again, I'll abort my cycle (coast on low test) and make sure I'm a 100%.
AnonIm glad to see u held off on tren
Yep, I put Tren on the shelf for now. I'm glad you guys talked me out of it. I'm pretty happy with my Test/EQ cycle so far.
If you are set on running tren i would go with the ace version. I think a test and eq run would give you nice results with tbol to kick start. Were all your cycles 12 weeks long? I would go with 500mgs a week of test and 600mgs a week on EQ for 14 weeks and then tbol to start for 4-5 weeks
My cycles in the past were 10 or 12 weeks. This time I'll go for 16 weeks.
Not trying to be rude, but next time you post read the comments below.
You will notice he decided to save tren and run test/eq cycle.
If you do use tren E, I would advise using a low test dose like 200-300mg. The lower test dose generally means less sides especially with tren.
However if you have never run EQ I'd say consider trying that out first. use about 600mg per week with 400-750 mg test per week. Should be fun, increased appetite, minimal fat gain and side effects, lean dry muscle building and increased stamina. EQ also helps joints similar to deca.
You should be able to stash your tren bottle away for a year or 2 as long as you keep it away from heat or cold. But yea try out EQ for a 16 week cycle first. enjoy
I have run EQ in the past (one cycle), but didn't do much for me. IMO, here are some reasons why: I was on 500mg Test E, 300mg EQ. My appetite did not increase at all, and since I have a hard time eating anyway, I never ate enough. So either the dosage was too low, or the EQ was crap. Oh, and I only did a 10 week cycle, which I guess is kind of short, since EQ takes so long to get into your system.
And thanks for the input on the Tren!
running 300 eq is barely anything. Thats like running a test cycle at 200mg and expecting to get big gains from it
10 weeks is way too short. You wouldn't run a 6 week test E cycle would you??
get what I'm saying? You ran EQ all wrong. Run it 600 for 16 weeks you will be extremely impressed.
Or you can run EQ cyp which is faster acting. You can do a 14 weeker with that.
Very cool, you and pankration tell me the exact same thing. What you said makes perfect sense. Back then I hadn't heard about eroids, and you know what kind of advice you get from some of the "all-knowing" guys at the gym. LOL
Now, the only other question I have... do I want to run 400mg or 750mg of Test E with that? I read a couple different opinions.
Depends on what you want. 400 for lean dry gains. 500-750 for a little more bulking.
Really what is most comfortable for you. 500mg should be cool, you can always up it later in the cycle if you need to.
I'm talking about test dose by the way
Makes sense. I might just do the 500-750 since I'm at least coasting on 250, even through my PCT, and I don't mind staying a little softer for the next 4 months. I just want to get up to 220# and then stay there while I'm getting my BF down
So... 600 EQ, and play with the Test dosage! Thanks
Eq needs to be run for at least 16 weeks I prefer 18 at a minimum of 600mgs to get very good results. There are also shorter acting versions like EQ-Acetate and EQ-Cypionate that work faster and don't need to be run as long as Equipoise (boldenone undecylenate).
I'll do 16-18 weeks then, I've got enough gear. Since I've already got the Boldenone Undecylenate, I'll just do the longer cycle. I'm still tempted to kickstart with d-bol for the first few weeks (since that's what I've already got). What's your take on that?
Also, I got the EQ from Dragon Pharma (first time) and my Test E from Kalpa (hurts a little but seems to work just fine). Have you heard anything good/bad about their gear? Thanks
I have heard good things about dragon pharma. Kalpa is also a very high quality lab. You should see very good results
I felt comfortable with Kalpa, had used them in the past, but my source didn't have any of their EQ, so I thought I give their Dragon Pharma a try. Thanks for confiming Dragon's quality
I have heard some good things about Kalpa. As far as Dragon Pharma I am not familiar at all. What dose and how long are you planning on running the dbol? I am personally not a D-bol fan, I am more of a anavar and T-bol person. I like to make my gains but also to stay as lean and hard as possible, now that is mostly diet mind you and the cardio I do. But I don't like the strain that D-bol puts on the Blood pressure and the amount of water it cause people to carry. But that is just one persons opinion. Either way you should buy if you don't already have one a home blood pressure machine. They are inexpensive and a great way to monitor throughout your cycle. Because the RBC will go up with the EQ, and recently I was talking to a MD and he said more and more cases of male impotence is being caused by high bp. And who hell wants that when you are taking aas to become more of a super man :P.
Okay, thanks. I guess I'll find out soon how Dragon Pharma performs, that's where I got the EQ from.
I plan on running D-bol (Kalpa's) for 3 weeks, 4 weeks max, 2x25mg/day. I heard about the water retention, not the blood pressure though. I'll take your advice and either get a monitor, or if not that, at least stop at Walgreen's once a week and use theirs. Last time I checked, I was perfectly fine, but that was on my Deca cycle; so I'm glad you pointed that out!! And no, nobody wants impotence! If you LOOK better than the other guy, you better BE better too! LOL
"If you LOOK better than the other guy, you better BE better too! LOL" Spoken like a genius my friend:P!
Haha, thank! I live in Arizona, plenty of pool parties, and most of my friends are 10-20 yrs younger. So it's a welcomed challenge to show them how it's supposed to be
10-20 years younger your handle here should be "BigPimpin"!:P
Well, since I don't plan on using the Tren E for a while... what is the shelf life? It doesn't have an experation on it, like some vials do. I usually store my gear at room temp, in the dark, would it be smarter to keep it in the fridge to extend the shelf life?
Definitely not in the fridge, it may crash. How you currently store it is fine.
Should be good for a couple of years.
SDM, can you PM me? I'm a newbie on this site, and haven't figured out how to message people. Got some more detailed questions on the Test/EQ, PCT, etc.
Thanks
I've accepted your FR. Let me know what you need help with and I'll sort you out.
Cool, thanks! I've got some questions regarding longer term goals; I'll let you know
Perfect, thanks. That way I'm not tempted to use it just because I think it may go bad.
I wouldn't run tren 5th cycle, and I certainly wouldn't run tren e for my first experience. If things get ugly, you're feeling that way for 2-2.5 weeks in tren e.
Plenty if other compounds I'd be running before I even thought about tren in your situation.
What other compounds do you have in mind? I don't want to go too exotic. I still have EQ and Deca sitting on the shelf.
And, at what point would you recommend running Tren?
Thanks
I can help you build a cycle with EQ or a nice Deca run,(I'm about to embark on a deca run myself), depends in what you fancy? Can lay something down for you if you let me know what you'd prefer. Point noted about exotic, I like classic simple runs anyway!
Re tren, 8-10 cycles. Personally I waited until my 11th, glad I did.
Thanks SDM! The last cycle I did was 500mg Test E and 300mg Deca, 10 weeks. I want to get some more weight on me, but hopefully lean out at the same time (I'll be in Huntington Beach in 8 weeks, LOL). I did a EQ cycle about a year ago, same dosage as above; didn't see much results, some people say I should have taken more EQ. I also have some D-bol and some Winnie. Here's what I'm thinking... 750mg Test E, 600mg EQ weekly, 50mg D-bol daily for first 2 weeks, Winnie in week 7 and 8 (for vanity sake only (looking good at the beach). Am I way off? What are your thoughts?
My "longterm" goal is this: Two cycles before this November. I want to do a show (NPC Miles' in AZ), light heavy, at 198# and 5% BF. Not quite sure if I'm just dreaming, or if it's doable.
Thanks for your input!
From what I have read, I believe SDM as you dialed right into what I would want to do. PM him and set you a program:)
Your EQ run looks ok, but I wouldn't run 2 orals in the same cycle. Seeing as you want to drop a bit of bf%, I'd run lower test to 400mg/wk and let the EQ do the work at 600mg/wk. I don't particularly like dbol with EQ, the two kind of contradict each other. Something like tbol would be a better oral kick, or better still test prop for wk 1-4.
Wk 1-4 test prop 150mg eod
Wk 1-16 EQ at 600mg/wk
Wk 1-18 Test E at 400mg/wk
AI, pct standard protocol
You could also taper with test prop at the end? Better transition into pct.
sgtstedanko^^^^^^^^^^^^This!^^^^^^^^^^^^
This is honestly one of my favorite cycles, w/primo. But this is perfect for him, now. Nice work, bubba! Hard work, Diet & nutrition dictate how your gains will be : )
Awesome, thanks! I'm getting a lot of responses telling me the same thing. So much easier to make a good decision that way, and not getting a zillion conflicting opinions, and you're never quite sure which one to follow.
15% bf and u wanna bulk?
Well, I want to put on some muscle mass, but without putting on any more fat, that's the main reason why I thought Tren would be good.
There are plenty of other compounds that can put mass on. Have you tried a Tbol kicker? With the right diet you can put 15 lbs of quality muscle in 1 cycle.
No, I haven't tried T-bol. None of my sources got it. I do have D-bol sitting here, and I don't mind the water weight. Since most of you guys try to talk me out of taking Tren this time around; the question is: if I run a Test/EQ cycle instead, do I want to kick-start it with D-Bol, and for how long??
Thanks
3 weeks on the dbol. I have never been a big fan of it to me its fake gains I like quality from start to finish. On Test EQ you will eat like a horse, nice quality gains.By the way i am not a fan of tren either, just not worth the sides IMO.
if you are going to run tren then use a low test dose and start with about 300 mg tren a and then see if you want to up the dose of tren from there. start out slow to keep the sides down.
Sounds like solid advise, thanks!
Now that everbody made me nervous about running Tren at this point, what would be your opinion on what to run instead?
I think it is early for tren. If you have to run it though run trenA.
At what point would you recommend Tren then? And if not Tren at this point, what other compound are you thinking?
Thanks