+ 1 44 yr Old Bastard with Shriveled Nut Sack Needs Assistance.
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age=44
height=5'8/9ish
weight=210lb
body fat = not sure. 34 waist, 44 reg jacket.
cycle history = no cycles, only 3 months of depo testosterone at around 2ml (400mg) every 3 weeks.
goals = energy, focus, lean out. I think I am plenty big enough. Maybe increase strength.
Been working out for at least 13 years and have built up a lot of strength and muscle without any steroid use at all. My workouts have been sucking for the last couple years, my sex drive plummeted, my balls shriveled up, and I felt like general crap.
I did a scrotum check a couple months back. Here are the result:
Test Name In Range Out Of Range Reference Range
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ABSOLUTE BASOPHILS 36 0-200 cells/uL
NEUTROPHILS 60.3 %
LYMPHOCYTES 29.5 %
MONOCYTES 7.1 %
EOSINOPHILS 2.4 %
BASOPHILS 0.7 %
TESTOSTERONE, FREE AND
TOTAL, LC/MS/MS
TESTOSTERONE, TOTAL 174 L 250-1100 ng/dL
LS/MS/MS
FREE TESTOSTERONE 24.4 L 35.0-155.0 pg/mL
So my Dr has me coming in about every 3 weeks or so for a 2ml (400mg) shot of depo testosterone (cypionate)..
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friend request sent budzang. accept so i can PM you, i can point you in the right direction at least.
Thanks for every bodies feedback. I didn't get a chance to fill in all my questions. My Doc is a prick, so he isn't going to work with me. So I am going to have to take matters into my own hands. I do need to be on an AI aka Aromasin. I think I would like the type 1 irreversible inhibitor. Haven't been able to locate any suppliers yet.
And yes, I do feel like crap on this roller coaster ride. Breaking out w/ cystic acne all over the place. I had it as a teenager. I'm taking high doses of vitamin A 50000IU and 10g of B5 to dry out.
I guess my main question would be what would a typical 18-19 week cycle look like? For example This is a shot in the dark..
Week 1-12 blast period test e or test c 400 mg /week + Aromasin 12.5 mg EOD
Week 13-14 slow down with test 100 mg EOD + Aromasin 12.5 mg EOD
Week 15-19 cruise period test c 150 mg/ week + Aromasin 12.5 mg EOD + Clomid ? + ???
Then, rinse and repeat?
Or do a rest cycle strictly on cruise mode like:
week 1- 19 on test c 150 mg/ week + Aromasin 12.5 mg EOD
Just throwing that out there to see if that makes sense. I'm a noob.
Bro, why do you require clomid, if you are on trt - its generally a med used for pct. I understand how some doctors just dismiss things, some can be pricks. I wish you the best, you have some experianced bros trying to advise you in the safest manner.
Not sure about the clomid. I was throwing that out there as a question. Aromasin and/or Arimadex anti e may be the only thing necessary. Maybe some hCG for the nut sack. Lest we not forget the physical therapy: cock push ups and lots of sexy time. I'm sure my wife will be pleased.
lol 'sexy time' is important in every man's life. HCG is good but I don't see the importance whilst on trt unless you were trying for a baby, but thats my opinion. Too much test flowing around heightens the chance for it aromatise. Adex is good, aromasin is also a good choice - always start low or accordingly on an ai and work your way up, you would want to make sure everything is in balance. Stay strong brother.
Just keep asking questions brotha, we were all noobs at one time.... I'll share my experience and when the other guys chime in, it will give you tons of ideas. My first 2 blasts, 1st being T enanthate @ 500mgs per week for 12 weeks. I didn't kick start or taper, that 13th week just resumed my 125mgs per week protocol. Cruised for 14-16 weeks before another blast, again, test only, 500mgs Cypionate for 12 weeks, this time the 13th week was 250mgs (split), 14th week back to 125mgs per week. That seemed to work better for me. Adex was used as needed, no sore nips, no bloat, blood pressure was elevated, but nothing crazy outta control. Drink lots of H2O, and keep sodium to a minimum and you should be fine my man ;)
Thanks man. I appreciate the encouragement. It always helps to draw support from a community of like minded people. Here is a question: What gauge needle do you need for injecting test c/e/p? I found a site that sells18G to 27G, where 18G is pretty fat, and the 27G is pretty thin. I know this stuff can be a bit thick, so the needle might need to be heavy gauge. What is the protocol on gauge thickness for injecting test? Also, came across a source that sells the test compound in raw form. Interesting. Looks fairly easy to brew. In the long run, as a TRT patient, this would be the most economical way to cruise. One batch would keep you going for years.
I ALWAYS keep several different size pins. 20G for drawing the test into the syringe, then switch to a fresh needle upon injection. 23G 1-1/2" pin for glutes, 25G 1" pin for quads and delts. I started in my ass, lol that doesn't sound gay, does it.. (shut up Yoked) And when I got comfortable with sticking myself I moved around to quads and delts. Always swab the tops of the vials with alcohol before drawing. I also use a hair dryer to heat the syringe for about 1 minute before injection, gets the oil nice n warm for an easier push through the syringe. As you jab, don't forget to aspirate, a slight pullback on the plunger making sure no visible blood comes back through the needle. Don't want to inject directly into a vein.... more common with quad and delt injections. BOOM, you're done! As far as brewing I never attempted it, although I did try to brew my own beer once, turned out real shitty.... tasted like bitter liquid bread with a yeast infection..... So I wouldn't trust my brewing capabilities...LoLoLO
Here a site: http://www.spotinjections.com/index3.htm
All the muscle groups are to the far left
THAT IS THE MILLIONTH TIME I HAVE HEARD OF TRT PATIENT IN A DCOTORS OFFICE GETTING A FUCKING CYP SHOT FAR APART AS HELL. MY BUDDY WAS GETTING A 1CC (200MG) CYP SHOT ONCE EVERY FOUR WEEKS. WTF IS UP WITH THAT? CAN ANYONE BE A DOCTOR?
with the rate youre going you basically need to see if your doctor is willing to play ball and prescribe you what you need to hit a sweets pot or if he/she HAS IT ALL FIGURED OUT and wont listen to your changing symptoms. If not, you came to the right place. keep reading and youll figure out how to take care of your own needs as many have already.
TronYou think THIS is crazy??? My dad is 64 and they put him on trt a couple years ago. I finally asked him the other day what dose they have him on. He said well, I just go in once a month for a 200mg shot!!!! My jaw freaking dropped! These doctors know nothing about testosterone and how it works. I am pretty sure that a once a month shot of cyp is going to do you more harm than good lol! I'm really thinking about introducing my dad to eroids.
I'm with you on that bro, once a month is crazy. Depo test should be at least every 2 weeks or less. They just don't understand that every man is different, they look at their medical books and think the same BS applies to us all.
TronOh, and plus one to you Budzang for doing your research and posting all the above information. You are approaching this in a smart way and I have a feeling you will be making a wise decision for yourself.
Lol that's funny. I've mentioned on here before that my doctor is actually my ex girlfriend. She knows everything I've done, doing, plan on doing etc. She's been great for me. So many of these guys get caught up with doctors that really have no business overseeing a TRT regimen for anyone. A once a month injection of cyp is gonna be more detrimental than anything else. That's silly.
Lol, bro why are not with her!?!? A women who is educated on AAS and understands trt is great.
Lol yeah it's a long story. But basically, my wife is just as educated and even hotter. They both look at my junk about the same amount though :-(
Lol, its all good bro, a wife is for life - that is a concept I believe in... but damn a hot doctor ex girlfriend who is educated on trt is a rare breed haha.
When Yoked isn't prancing around in those lime green stilettos, he makes a lot sense.... j/k That 400mgs every 3 weeks has GOT to have you on a roller coaster ride from hell. When I first started TRT I was doing bi-weekly injections @200mgs. Felt great for about 5-6 days, then the downward spiral began. Switched it to 125mgs weekly and made a huge difference (My decision, not the crackpot Dr.) 50mgs 2X per week is probably ideal, experiment and see what works for you my OBC brotha .... keep us posted, Good luck ;-)
And when you're not peeking through my bedroom window trying to see my junk, you make a lot of sense lol. The key is stability in blood levels. Reduces the likelyhood of negative sides and optimizes the benefits. TRT is about obtaining a sense of homeostasis within the body. This guy is by no means old, but if you ask him he'll probably say he feels like it.
Yeah you're shut down brother. Your testicles have atrophied because they have stopped doing their job. TRT is gonna be your best option unless you want to continue on the way you have. I don't agree with a test cyp shot every three weeks. Two weeks is about the max amount of time to keep blood levels relatively stable. Ideally you would want to pin once a week. TRT turned things around for me and a lot of other guys. I would imagine it will do the same for you. Still won't do anything for your shriveled nuts though. Ask your doctor about hcg for that. But it will help combat any sexual dysfunction you may be experiencing. Good luck brother
yoked, what is your take on test e vs test c? When should one be used over the other, etc.?
Your body won't notice a difference in either ester. They have virtually the same half life length so your dosing schedule will be identical. Cyp has an extra carbon atom, 8, where as enth only has 7. That's really only important during the brewing process.
Welcome to the community! I am unsure of your exact question though. Every three weeks is to long though.. by the end of week two your test will be on a major decline. I'd start by talking to hour doctor or find a bottle if Cyp here on Eroids.
Typical trt dose is 250mg per week. I'm on trt as well. Also you need to be on a good anti e if not already.
You're quality of life can have much improvements and a lot of us would love to help you out but we need thorough info.
just sent a friend request. I guess I'm not sure what my exact question is either. It is a journey. What sort of additional info is needed?
As far as anti e, I've been trying to find a good supplier for aromasin. Need to talk offline about this as suppliers need to off the boards.
56tooI dont know wht all those numbers mean bro. Your test levels do look low as hell. Im in my late fifties and I pin 200mg a week when Im cruising and that is where I feel good at.