+ 2 Thanks alot Deca
Thanks alot Deca for making me spend $300 on pants yesterday, thanks alot for having me constantly field questions at the gym from tards about what protein powder helped me build this muscle, thanks alot for having to request new uniforms at my job, thanks for the chance to dodge questions from my gf about my new found strength and size, thank you sooo much for the ability to press 405lb on flat bench for 8 reps, thanks for making all my normal size shirts make it look as if I'm trying to be one of those douche bags who rock medium shirt to show off their glamour muscles, thanks alot for making me purchase caber so my dick gets hard so I can bang my gf I mentioned earlier.....thanks alot for having to hear everyone's opinion on why your not a good anabolic to use
Seriously, 6 weeks in and I love this shit. Thanks to all the vets and others who helped me make the choice to run this compound. I appreciate everyones post on deca no matter if your for or against it.
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just run hcg and caber and proper pct w/ it and u should be able to recover quicker
In my opinion, Deca is only good for those who are on trt .. Deca will be affecting ..u in the next 2 years.. the damage out wieghs the benefits..u gotta run it for atleast 10 weeks...but if u dont care then it doesnt matter.. but i know people who had limp dick for 2 years after their deca cycle. i used it and i didnt like it because it was the worst shutdown that i experienced.. u gotta use hcg with it..deuca is either most loved or most hated because if u fuck up with it then it will really screw u... no joke, but i did have bad side effects such as limp dick and major depression which only showed up during pct .. but if it works with ur body then go with it.. its a powerful drug
AnonDeca is only hated cuz most folks don't know what the hell they're doing. Once they figure out how to run it and PCT for it their opinions change dramatically.
Care to elaborate ? I'd like to hear the best way to run it. Keep in mind ancillaries prami, caber, HCG, arimidex, proviron I used ALL of them during the cycle and ran a proper pct still had issues.
So please clarify "how to run it"
not true bro, deca stays in ur system past pct , it will still effect ur balls, its a progestin
AnonYour 23 and been registered on the board for a day and you say Deca is only good for those on trt? I usually don't blow off opinions of people but your lack of knowledge leads me to believe that you have no real experience. Your a 23 yr old MMA fighter, why use deca? I respect your opinion but I strongly disagree with your opinion.
dont judge a book by its cover.. my time on this board has nothing to do with my knowledge.. as a matter a fact i only joined this board because my roommate talked into it..dont take my word for it but that was my experience w/ deca.
AnonNever tried to judge you brother.....you made bold statements about a compound that has benefited alot of people. Deca has been used in studies to help people with HIVwho suffer from chronic wasting syndrome.
"In another study of HIV+ men (6) we can see that Deca Durabolin ( 200mgs on week 1, 400 on week 2 and 600mgs for weeks 3-12) caused NO negative side effects in total or LDL cholesterol, triglycerides, or insulin sensitivity and there was a reduction of HDL cholesterol(8-10 points) in both groups. Also, in most studies with HIV+ subjects, Deca Durabolin also improved immune function"
So I asked some questions of you to back up your opinion of Deca? If you care to answer those questions we can continue if not.........have a goodnight
i think what he is trying to say is becareful with it because if u mess up, it can give u limp dick and suppress ur fsh and lh for a while. he is trying to say its better for people on trt because they dont have to worry about being suppressed. me and challenger had bad experience w/ deca which makes it harder for us to use it again, my fsh and lh are still suppressed from last year deca cycle. but some people dont even experience any bad side effects with deca but it really depends on u. no doubt it helps people but it can really fuck w/ ur libido. the doses on those studies are much lower then the dose BB run it.
AnonI have no issues with opinions from you guys and I'm thankful for all the feedback I've recieved. My only concern is people writing "it shuts you down" and "deca is bad", please give me some facts about your experiences...
How old were you?
What PCT protocol did you follow?
How many cycles of deca did you use?
Any ED issues before Deca?
Medical issues before running cycles?
What AI's did you use?
How long did you run Deca?
What dosage of Deca did you use?
What test ester did you use? How much test mg wise accompanied the deca?
When exactly did you notice ill effects of Deca?
What do you consider "shut down"?
If ED problems, how long did this problems persist? Were you able to engage in sexual intercourse?
When did you notice the ED issues beginning to get better?
When did you have bloodwork done?
Who diagnosed you with ED issues, if anyone did?
What exactly did you bloodwork show?
I'm not trying to be a dick, but these are the responses that will help the community, not merely writing "its bad" "I don't like it".....I value all input from all the brothers on here. If anyone doesn't feel comfortable posting these answers on an open forum please PM. This would be helpful. Thanks again
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkI can fill this in for ya. I ran a deca cycle recently
22
Very rigorous pct. Hcg during cycle, 1mg prami per day( whole duration cycle and pct and AFTER PCT), 40mg nolva per day, 100mg clomid per day. I dropped the nolva and clomid to 20mg and 50mg last couple weeks.
No E.D. issues
no medical issues
I used arimidex. My body does not tolerate aromasin - i get way too many sides and arimidex is easier to dose I started at 0.25mg eod then decided to leave it at 0.25mg per day when I started noticing prolactin sides.
I ran it for 11 weeks and test for 2 weeks longer.
Test was Cypionate and Enanthate. (100mg test cyp, 100mg test e, 200mg deca/ml) plus i added more enanth.
Test was 650mg/wk and deca was 400mg per week
I knew right off the bat my sex drive was nowhere NEAR what it normally is on cycle. First week I noticed. It stayed like this all cycle. I had caber but it was liquid form so after 3 weeks it went bunk. so I had to order prami which didnt arrive until 3 weeks later. During that time I added proviron to help reduce est. sides at least until i got the prami. During those weeks I had little libido and I WAS ON PROVIRON! Once prami kicked in it took care of my puffy nips,and lack of libido.
I continued until week 11 and dropped deca. Sex drive was still low. PCT libido was low, after pct I knew I was not 100% started back up. Felt like low test but not horrible though.
Shut down is when your a month or 2 after pct and still feel your test levels are low.
No ed.
I hope you do not read this post the wrong way. I need to add the positives of deca.
- joints felt great
- HUGE strength gains Added 50lbs to bench
- decent size gains.
- low bloating (I actually had no real bloating issues probably due to my arimidex)
- no problems sleeping
- bp was good, on eq it gets a little elevated
I ended up losing a lot of fat as well as gain some quality muscle. So it was not all thaT bad. But losing 10 lbs after pct Sucked. My size went down a little but now my muscles look very well rounded. I had some lagging body parts before cycle and the deca helped make me more well rounded. not sure if its my routine or the deca, but I think its a combo of both.
Unfortunately I lost about 75% of the strength I had on cycle. I was reppin 4 plates on deep squats noW I can barely do 3 same amount of reps.
My bench also went back to about what it was before. Maybe a solid 10 lb increase I kept completely.
Deca is an excellent steroid. It can be useful in many ways, cutting bulking whatever you want its a solid drug to add size and strength
Overall - the deca was worth it but it really shut me down, had to dose High for prami 1mg per day to keep prolactin in control.
I think deca just needs to be understood before one tries to use it. The amount of mass gained from a deca cycle lets say 1 month after pct is not going to be much more then the amount of quality muscle you build from eq cycle 1 month post pct. Both should yield the same amount of gains. People often think deca gives more gains, but honestly you do Not keep all those gains. In my case 10lbs dropped.
If one has all the ancillaries in order and enough cycle experience, they can have a great deca cycle issue free. But some people have a tougher time with deca. It really comes down to the person. But when you have the choice to run EQ which will not give you many sides at all why not just do that? If your after size take some anadrol - it will make you big and swole. But I honestly believe EQ can put on as much mass as deca once its all said and done. Or at least very close
AnonThanks for the info bro......very well detailed. When I earn one more point, you'll get a thumbs up. One question, is 22 a good age to run deca? Any bloods done?
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkI'll give you that point lol. No 22 is not a good age to be running deca, I'm aware of that. I did not get bloods done, I should have but I'm going to be here soon. I can say for sure my test eventually went back to a somewhat normal level post pct. I have a feeling my fsh and LH were just a little more suppressed even after pct due to deca staying in your system for 18 months.
I seen studies where doses of 30-50mg per week deca can cause complete shutdown. If you understand it's half life you will know that its about 15 days. So 2 weeks after deca I had 200mg(could be more since I had accumulated 11 weeks worth) in my system give or take. I took another 2 weeks until I started PCT so I probably had 50-100mg in my system which is still enough to shutdown.
SOme people do not get this serious shutdown but apparently I was one of them
roidcalc.com if you put 400mg in for deca you will see that it is above 50mg for 4 weeks.
StevebPeople who take Anadrol get great gains in size in strength but then seem to lose all of it after they've been of for a couple months. Most people I know who have taken it decide not to do it twice.
I love anadrol. It put size and strength on better in 2 weeks than dbol would in 4!
I kept about 25-50% of my anadrol gains. Yes strength went down a little as did the water but I really got some good gains from it.
I love drol, I get hardly any sides from it.
StevebI have seen some people get unbelievable gains from Anadrol, where they looked like a different person after taking it. But they had too much trouble keeping it and decided to go with Dbol in future cycles.
thats cause most people only take drol for 4 weeks. The whole "oral toxicity" is a damn joke its not bad at all
try drol for 6-8 weeks and the total mass gained will be more than 4 weeks.
DO you ever hear about people using anavar for 4 weeks? No. its just as liver toxic as drol. In my opinion all orals should be taken for 6-8 weeks for optimal gains. 4 week crap is just a precaution we take to keep beginners from running it the whole cycle.
really the only steroids that do best with 4 weeks is dbol. all others should be ran 6-8 weeks
Oral steroid toxicity is really only a concern with people that have pre-existing liver issues such as Hepatitus or Cirrhosis
Thanks Deca for my high blood pressure and sodium sensitivity. Seriously though, the sides are manageable and the benefits outweigh them in my opinion.
AnonWhats your experience with it?
^ congrats
just remember to thank deca when you go into PCT, thats when it can become a bitch....but not for all so fingers crossed.
AnonHow so? What exactly happens during pct?
AnonU just need to ramp up the pct to suitable deca standards. Drop the Nolva and add Toremifene add a good size HCG dose eod. Run your caber/Prami into pct. it doesn't have to be regular pct. basically it u pct like u ran a test eq cycle ur shit out of luck.
bad shutdown. plus it stays in ur system for 1.5 - 2 years and it will be still suppressing u
AnonYea. I'm aware of that. My goal is to win Mr Olympia so fuck it. I'm cautious but this is the life I choose so I'll continue to follow wise advice and watch my blood work and hope for the best.
then it doesnt matter , ur good
Anonyea but I'll still listen to you guys.......I don't wanna screw myself over. What HCG dosage would you recommend. My thoughts were 150/100/50/50 for clomid
I love my deca and the strength and size it gives me. I have never experienced deca dick nor prone to gyno but in saying this we are all different and react different
aylmejorI've been thinking of trying deca. I've yet to run it. I just don't want the bloofy look I hear of. Any one have opinions on low test with deca? I've heard some say it keeps the bloof down?
StevebNever run Test lower than Deca. Your test should be at least double the dose of Deca and use HCG and Caber along with it.
aylmejorat least double? so if i run 600 deca i should run 1200 test. idk man that just sound like more than needed. adding more sides...
AnonI'm wouldnt use 1200mg test with a weekly dose 600mg. I would run test at 900mg though. Than adjust from upwards from there, if needed.
StevebLOL true
leonidas7this is broscience- A lot of advanced cycles run low test high deca with great results. As long as prolactin is controlled there is nothing to worry about with deca dick or gyno. It'd be cool to hear some vets chime in on this.
StevebI have ran Deca from100mg-700mg a week. Deca doesn't give me gyno problems at all but dosage does affect your penis, its not bro science. When I added 100mg a week of Deca to my cycle just to help with joint pain I was not shut down at all. But the closer I got to my Test dosage then I would get shut down "a lot".
aylmejorEveryone can react differently tho. Some guys say they have no problems with low test. If anything it's worth a shot to see how one reacts. Test can always be added if it is a problem. More opinions?
StevebI bet your joints feel great too. How many milligrams are you taking a week of Deca?
AnonYes, joints feel good. I can do skull crushers pain free. I'm running 500mg of Big D's Deca.
im running 250 of the same, i kept it low to avoid the prolactin build up, but i have had some great gains, although im running test e 300 too. but im up almost 20 lbs in just over a month. got to say i love it to, and even on a low dose my joints feel great too