+ 2 The Enigma of Compounds and Receptors Revealed
This topic has been highly debated for a long time on this site….This topic was recently addressed in General Talk with Mjunkie and the response was overwhelming in the thread…Detroitnate331 was asked to research and elaborate on this subject…Due to the complexity of this topic.. a brainstorming between Detroitnate331, Fast48, Zewi, GS9902, P and Cdaddy7 was initiated as a team effort to define and disclose the information gathered…It’s our hopes and intent to inform the community on this topic to help shed some light on this enigma….It is our plan to continue to add to this research frequently to help everyone better understand what exactly it is that the compounds do and how they work and effect our bodies….I hope that this will lead to an all out research and better understanding of Anabolic/Androgenic Steroids and help the individuals understand and create better and more effective cycles than before…Below is our provisional agenda and what we want from you guys is your input and thoughts because this your project as well as ours….Our goal is to provide the community with concrete facts on this issues and not just broscience….All input is valued
The provisional line=up will begin in this order:
1.Understanding--androgenic--anabolic--Catabolic
2.Understand what test is, and its sides
3.Understand what tren is and its sides
4.How do each fight for receptros
5.Conclusion why tren wins.
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As a habitual steroid user this is my 2 cents.
Dont care if its against any scientists conclusions or against the work of god.
On second thoughts just glance at Nitti's response to gatorgear as he says it better then I would lol
Nitti is one of those guys that you listen to and take to heart when he puts something out there. I have a great deal of respect for that guy. I always ran my test and tren at even dosages. He convinced me to back the test down and I swear this has been one of my best cycles in years.
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Appreciate that brother! I don't know much but anything I do give you will be based on my own trial and error.
I guess this will forever remain an enigma...unless someone else cares to google it then copy and paste it here.
Anonyeah... it really is a shame, man...
OH SNAP! LOL ;-P
No one will believe me because as I was told before
My comments don't mean much cause I haven't experienced all the compounds myself
Well I understand that and it's fine
Ill still share my beliefs on the subjects of receptors and the so called. "Fighting between compounds"
It's similar to other compounds in which they are receptor based
Most medicines and drugs are receptor based
Take Pepcid
The anti acid
It's a H2 histamine receptor agonist
In which it attaches to the Histamine receptor type 2... and actives the body response through that means...that's the quick glance overview anyways!
Receptors are keyslots to doors in which the chemials inserted into these receptors do certian actions in the body and act like a key
Anyways like I said
Most will not believe me
That's okay
This is my view and I respect yours and your able to express it too !
There are an unlimited amount of receptors
Your body constantly can Build and activate new or old or damaged ones
The body has enough to share for all the AAs you could take in
Period there is no fight and room for all!
Yes Tren attaches much more stongly
The test will move over and occupy the new available receptor ( like musical chairs lol)
The more Testosterone over Tren produces more sides simply because Test and its properties produce more sides
More test =more sides. Whether Tren is involved or not
Higher Tren lower Testosterone equals lower sides bc less Test to convert and create issues
Last I checked the sides are from E and DHt
If Teststerone didn't convert we would be home free from all of the sides
Not all but alot
If you did 500 mg Tren E EW and
500mg Test E EW
Then all of each would reach receptors and be active
Thus some of the Test would convert to DHt and E so it would cause sides like it would independently of Tren
As well as possible prolactin issues from the Tren
If you use 500mg Tren E EW
And 250mg Test E EW
Then by nature bc you have less test then the conversion and sides will be less... Similar to how. 1g and 500mg Test cycles differ in sides and results
Yes ! I am blaming most of the likelyhood of sides on test
Please note
I am speaking of normal AAs sides
Acne. Bloat . Shutdown . Aggressive . Prostate etc.
I hold and place all the separate Tren sides i.e. severe anxiety and panic and night sweats etc are solely Tren based and would and could happen in the absence of test
So Test has its sides
As does Tren
Together they have more. dependent of Testosterone dose
My belief is the entire Tren and test fight for receptors is a myth in itself
Which came about to explain why higher Tren and lower test is likely to produce less sides in some circumstances
Remember all people react and adjust and accept drugs in a different manner
And it's all variable between people by a wide margin
Please elaborate. I was under the impression that it's quite the opposite. Why is the first cycle the best one? Because the natural bodybuilder has plenty of receptors not enough hormone. Why does the experienced user need more and more AAS to get the same gains over time? Why do we need to take breaks (even blast and cruise guys) to regenerate receptors? Back to that first cycle. The natty bodyuilder introduces test for the first time. Receptors are plentiful and now so is the hormone. What do you get? Some of the most amazing gains you will ever see. That same body builder 5 cycles later. He doesn't quite make the same gains even at higher doses. He hits plateau more often. His gains slow. His tolerance builds. So again, how could we have an unlimited amount of receptors with all these real world facts in front of us?
AnonWell said
Isnt that also to the concept of diminishing returns? It is the same with a kid who has never been to the gym, they normally get muscle faster then vets for the simple fact they are no where near their limits.
There are not an unlimited number of receptors, because that would mean there is an unlimited number of cells in the body. Not possible. Since we are likening test to other drugs, lets take a look at opioids (opium and its organic derivatives). If there were an unlimited number of receptors, a pain-pill addict would never need to increase his dose of pills. In reality, these people start with their hydrocodone, then move to oxycodone, and then move to strong intravenous drugs like dilaudad and fentanyl. Fentanyl, the most potent opioid prescribed today (10,000 stronger than morphine), would likely kill an individual who has no had previous experience with these drugs through respiratory depression. In the same manner, we must consider how experienced AAS users have to utilize progressively stronger and more powerful compounds to continue seeing gains, whereas novice users like myself can make impressive gains from a low-to-moderate dose of a single testosterone.
My point exactly.
Wouldnt that be a dream though? Everyone would be giant and green and flipping cars up and down the street!
Gains would be unlimited! Imagine a world with no guns and only eroiders had access to AAS. BFG would be president in no time with a giant army of the biggest baddest mufukrs on the planet! Lol
We could throw bullets faster than any gun and we would be so massive, bullets would just bounce off like in The Incredible Hulk! I think ill work chest/tri tomorrow by benching the great pyramid of giza. We could introduce a bill making it a felony to be obese which BFG would sign into law with a massive THWACK of the BANHAMMER!
I will tell you what happened to me personaly. Several months ago I started a cycle that was test prop 100mg eod and tren acetate 100mg eod. I had every bad tren side you can mention. I would get out of breath at work. I had to drop the cycle early.
Round 2. Test prop 25mg ed tren acetate 50 mg ed for week 1-4. Test prop 25mg ed tren acetate 75mg ed for week 5-6. Test prop 50mg ed and tren acetate 100mg ed for week 7-8. Not one side effect. Even my blood pressure is normal. I didn't read this somewhere, hear it from someone, or form my own opinion. I tested it on myself. If you want to load up on test while on tren you can but I think that is a loosing battle.
zewiX2.. its almost exactly how i tell people how to run their frist tren cycle.
Since you guys are working on this as a team I am going to copy and paste my thread question that is related to this topic on here to increase the possibly of it getting answered. I actually asked my question the same day this thread got created so the timing worked out perfect.
Do all steroids fight for the same receptor sites? Everyone says and seams to agree currently that Tren and Test fight for the same receptor sites and Tren wins. But does every steroid fight for the same receptor site or do certain anablics got to certain sites. Example if they go to different sites could you do a typical Test/Deca cyle for 12 weeks with a 4 week Dboll kicker than go on a therapy level Test, 100mgs-150mgs a week, and a Primo cycle with no orals to clean out your receptors and your organs for 12-20 weeks? And still gain off the primo?
zewiThis is starting to be updated and answered in the The gettin shit done crew group.
zewiA group has been setup for this
I like the way this is going
looking forward to this piece, im sure with all you guys on it its gonna be nice, very glad that you guys have decided to pool together and do this.
Thank you sir! Drive is to make it science based. Erase many brosciences and heresay..
cdaddy7Thanks fellas for this input bc It's just as much for ur knowledge as it is ours....we are trying to help all of our understanding of just how things work...this is the start and we value everyone's input and suggestions
indeed the avengers of eroids lol.. this is good shit, need to make some pop corn real quick.. personally as I understand it tren is originally developed for cattle, durabolin and deca were made for humans.. but that's besides the point I suppose..
Yeah tren was initially formulated to increase feed efficiency in beef cattle. Finaplex comes in pellet form and is injected with a gun into the ear of the heifer or steer.
You guys are like the fucking Super Friends. This is gonna be good. But you gave away the ending and already told us that tren wins.
Technically Methyl tren wins. If it wasnt the health equivalent of arsenic it would be more popular but as it stands it is only for the most insane due to its hepatoxicity. Atleast thats what my research has turned up. I could be wrong.
Btw correct me if I am wrong.
I read an article recently about these guys that tried to compound an oral tren that was insanely hepatoxic. Seems like I remember seeing where they mentions methyl tren. I'll try to find it.
Methyltrienolone is the name I always hear it referred too.
Molecular formula C19H24O2
Molar mass 284.39266
Supposedly the Anabolic/Androgenic Ratio is around 12,000+/6,000+.
This stuff is scary at best.
Wow. Imagine the possibilities if you were actually able to run it.
I have read logs on it. It seems that there are a few people willing to try it but most of the time half the log is based on people telling them livers are useful.
Anoni'll tell ya what i've become increasingly interested in is at what point to serum levels of a given compound become active at the receptors - when does the compound kick so to speak (not peak but KICK). i realize that this would be a completely different topic. maybe it could be touched base on with test and tren, along with some reference links?
zewiFair enough we will make sure we atleast touch on this in the receptor part. For both test and Tren..
Anongood looking out, homie.
AnonHow receptors work?
Yessir!! Cover the above listed items to start. Our agenda is simply erasing broscience and backing what is taught with real works studied by PhD folks. With out the boring vernacular. Lol!
Anonanxious to read this