HGH during PCT to maintain gains
Just a thought that I would like some educated feedback on: We all know that, as we go into PCT, our overall test levels begin to decline. As a result, it's not uncommon for our gains to begin declining. There are numberous techniques for buffering this, but I'm trying to wrap my mind around something. I have somewhat of a thorough, educational background in exercise physiology and nutirion, and I understand the various metabolic pathways very well. We all know that testosterone is an anobolic hormone, which promotes an increased metabolism through the maintenance of and building up of skeletal muscle tissues. As these hormones begin to decline, so to does the effeciencies of these metabolic pathways (anabolism). As a result we can begin to transition into somewhat of a catabolic metabolism, which is the breaking down of bodily tissues. Although catabolism still promotes an increased metabolism, it is rarely the goal of a body builder. AAS users obviously want to harness and control these processes for various reasons, but exogenous hormones require us to cycle on and off to prevent damaging our bodies natural processes. Basics, i know... Outside of the various techniques for minimizing PCT catobolism effects, I have been brainstorming the idea of using HGH to keep the body in a somewhat anabolic state. Not so much to the point where I continue to make gains, but only to a point where I can maintain my hard sought after gains while my body's testosterone processes rebound. I realize that this would be an extremely expensive PCT, but I go against the grain a bit and my cycles are a bit on the long side. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated. The more educated they are, the better, in my opinion.
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cdaddy7Hey my man, tread-m and I got into a discussion with others on here in a post the guru had...check it out and maybe this will give you some insight brother
http://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/hgh...born-again
Anonmuch appreciated bro! between the research that i've done on my own and that thread, it sounds like i'm on point with my theory. tread added some interesting topics to that theory. i def dig the synergistic effect he tries to instill in peoples' minds. harmony is def important, and i can see another added benifit outside of maintaining lean mass while running on pct. i'm interested to find out how effective the increased positive feedback loop theory turns out for natty test production. that thread was a month or so ago. curious how many people would consider this as an option. hgh during pct makes for one expensive pct. but i'm in it for an improvement in my overall health.
let's take into consideration the funds that would be spent for a holistic supplement plan (OTC). they would equal to are far exceed what would be spent for a 100iu kit to run for 60 days +/-, and the benefits would far surpass the ones achieved with the OTC brands.
back in my personal training and educational days, i always found human physiology to be an intriguing subject. unfortunately, the endocrine systems portions were slightly limited, so i am still learning, as we always do. once again, much appreciated!
FR sent bro.
AnonStill learning how to navigate this site a bit, but i just got it bro!
AnonSince no one cares to chyme in, I found this information about a study that was done:
The topic was on using growth hormone during PCT. The study suggests that it is a viable option with the main focus being the preservation of lean body mass and not increasing the return to homeostasis with androgen production.
The main support for this use of GH came from a study published in 2001, in the Journal of Clinical Endocrinology and Metabolism (volume 86 number 5, pp 2211-19). It was a study done to examine if growth hormone or IGF-1 could counter the catabolic effects of hypogonadism (low testosterone levels). The investigation involved a group of 13 healthy subjects with a mean age of 22 years. The subjects were given a GnRH (Gonadotropin Releasing Hormone) analog, which caused their bodies to shut down the normal production of testosterone. After 6 weeks from reaching baseline levels they were given either GH or IGF-1, to see if the drugs would prevent the catabolism normally associated with low testosterone levels. Final measures were taken 10 weeks from the start of the study.
The study demonstrated that both IGF-1 and growth hormone were able to preserve protein synthesis rates, even during a period of severe androgen deprivation. The subjects, likewise, did not lose a statistically significant amount of fat free mass/muscle tissue, in contrary to what is documented with hypogonadism alone. While it is far from conclusive evidence GH or IGF-1 should become integral to every steroid user’s PCT program, it certainly lends a lot of support for the idea of using one of these drugs in this manner. Note, however, that the study did show that androgens were required for the full anabolic effects of Growth Hormone and IGF-1. In other words, GH/IGF-1 may help you maintain muscle mass when coming off steroids, but you will get your most growth from the drugs if they are taken when androgen levels are normal or even elevated.